Ukraine - Russia Conflict

Rest assured China will get hit with the same shitstorm of sanctions if it invades India. The West has always supported India against China.
Biden has lost his mind, price hike will only benefit putin and harm average citizen. As most countries oil bill rises they will simply ditch US sanctions. China & India certainly do not want to go bankrupt paying the oil bill.

US at the most might impose some useless sanctions on china with little or no effect. But nothing will prevent china from occupying the trade gap vacated by EU & US. I would say it is a welcome move for these countries as they will use currency swap or barter trading which more or less will negate the price hikes.
 
Rest assured China will get hit with the same shitstorm of sanctions if it invades India. The West has always supported India against China.

Yeah, mate. You will sanction China once it invades Taiwan or India. And then you will sanction India once it invades Pakistan. It's just a shitshow.

Right now it's the turn of the biggest threat. Then the next, then the next.

Basically any country or region that can overshadow the US has been set up for sanctions. So, after India is ASEAN. Then the African Union.
 
Biden has lost his mind, price hike will only benefit putin and harm average citizen. As most countries oil bill rises they will simply ditch US sanctions. China & India certainly do not want to go bankrupt paying the oil bill.

US at the most might impose some useless sanctions on china with little or no effect. But nothing will prevent china from occupying the trade gap vacated by EU & US. I would say it is a welcome move for these countries as they will use currency swap or barter trading which more or less will negate the price hikes.

This move drops Russia's marketshare, it won't do much to increase global oil prices since it doesn't affect demand. The US will simply import from elsewhere. But it reduces Russian oil price since they will get left will unexported stores.

Western reliance on China is gonna decrease in the long term.
 
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Yeah, mate. You will sanction China once it invades Taiwan or India. And then you will sanction India once it invades Pakistan. It's just a shitshow.

Right now it's the turn of the biggest threat. Then the next, then the next.

Basically any country or region that can overshadow the US has been set up for sanctions. So, after India is ASEAN. Then the African Union.
You need to put down the crack pipe son. Are you planning to invade Pakistan? Is ASEAN planning an invasion. IIRC Singapore and Malaysia are in ASEAN and they voted against Russia too.

As regards overshadowing, overshadowing how? It's economy is sh*t, and about to get much sh*tter, it has almost zero support for its current actions on the world stage. Even its allies abstain. And it's lost over 1,000 military vehicles to a country much smaller than it. That's a like 15 year-old on free-school meals picking a fight with a 10 year-old primary school kid on the way home and getting his nose bust in the opening seconds. Good job over-shadowing us.


Meanwhile I have some child in a country that's been outperfomed economically by a Communist dictatorship threatening to invade neighbours and telling me that the largest economy in the world has been overshadowed just because it doesn't want to unleash a f**king nuclear winter on the planet.
 
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This move drops Russia's marketshare, it won't do much to increase global oil prices since it doesn't affect demand. The US will simply import from elsewhere. But it reduces Russian oil price since they will get left will unexported stores.

Western reliance on China is gonna decrease in the long term.
gasoline prices in US have already hit the roof, they are on their way to create record inflation. More than harming russia , US itself is in danger of getting into recession.
 
Biden has lost his mind, price hike will only benefit putin and harm average citizen. As most countries oil bill rises they will simply ditch US sanctions. China & India certainly do not want to go bankrupt paying the oil bill.

US at the most might impose some useless sanctions on china with little or no effect. But nothing will prevent china from occupying the trade gap vacated by EU & US. I would say it is a welcome move for these countries as they will use currency swap or barter trading which more or less will negate the price hikes.
 

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China knows if russia falls then they are the next target , dont think they are foolish to let russia collapse and invite US to run over them. On the other hand this may be their chance to ensure US gets stuck with russia while they move up silently.

Chinese will buy russian oil while russians buy their goods in return , they may run into deficit but thats for another day. This will be chinese chance to prop up russia against US dont think they will let that go waste.
 
China knows if russia falls then they are the next target , dont think they are foolish to let russia collapse and invite US to run over them. On the other hand this may be their chance to ensure US gets stuck with russia while they move up silently.

Chinese will buy russian oil while russians buy their goods in return , they may run into deficit but thats for another day. This will be chinese chance to prop up russia against US dont think they will let that go waste.
How exactly will the US run over China? The only US position on China is that Taiwan should remain independent, since it effectively has been for the last 70 years and freedom of navigation in the SCS. As long as China doesn't do a Russia, nothing will happen. That said, if the CCP ever moved aside, Taiwan and China would likely re-unite under a voluntary democracy anyway. The CCP is the single biggest obstacle to One China, they're literally in their own way.


In deciding to invade Ukraine, Vladimir Putin clearly misjudged everything. He had an exaggerated view of his own nation’s military might; my description last week of Russia as a Potemkin superpower, with far less strength than meets the eye, looks even truer now. He vastly underrated Ukrainian morale and military prowess, and failed to anticipate the resolve of democratic governments — especially, although not only, the Biden administration, which, in case you haven’t noticed, has done a remarkable job on everything from arming Ukraine to rallying the West around financial sanctions.

I can’t add anything to the discussion of the war itself, although I will note that much of the commentary I’ve been reading says that Russian forces are regrouping and will resume large-scale advances in a day or two — and has been saying that, day after day, for more than a week.
What I think I can add, however, is some analysis of the effects of sanctions, and in particular an answer to one question I keep being asked: Can China, by offering itself as an alternative trading partner, bail out Putin’s economy.

No, it can’t.

Let’s talk first about the impact of those sanctions.

One thing the West conspicuously hasn’t done is try to block Russian sales of oil and gas — the country’s principal exports. Oh, the United States might ban imports of Russian oil, but this would be a symbolic gesture: Oil is traded on a global market, so this would just reshuffle trade a bit, and in any case U.S. imports from Russia account for only about 5 percent of Russian production.

The West has, however, largely cut off Russia’s access to the world banking system, which is a very big deal. Russian exporters may be able to get their stuff out of the country, but it’s now hard for them to get paid. Probably even more important, it’s hard for Russia to pay for imports — sorry, but you can’t carry out modern international trade with briefcases full of $100 bills. In fact, even Russian trade that remains legally permitted seems to be drying up as Western companies that fear further restrictions and a political backlash engage in “self-sanctioning.”
How much does this matter? The Russian elite can live without Prada handbags, but Western pharmaceuticals are another matter. In any case, consumer goods are only about a third of Russia’s imports. The rest are capital goods, intermediate goods — that is, components used in the production of other goods — and raw materials. These are things Russia needs to keep its economy running, and their absence may cause important sectors to grind to a halt. There are already suggestions, for example, that the cutoff of spare parts and servicing may quickly cripple Russia’s domestic aviation, a big problem in such a huge country.


But can China provide Putin with an economic lifeline? I’d say no, for four reasons.
First, China, despite being an economic powerhouse, isn’t in a position to supply some things Russia needs, like spare parts for Western-made airplanes and high-end semiconductor chips.

Second, while China itself isn’t joining in the sanctions, it is deeply integrated into the world economy. This means that Chinese banks and other businesses, like Western corporations, may engage in self-sanctioning — that is, they’ll be reluctant to deal with Russia for fear of a backlash from consumers and regulators in more important markets.

Third, China and Russia are very far apart geographically. Yes, they share a border. But most of Russia’s economy is west of the Urals, while most of China’s is near its east coast. Beijing is 3,500 miles from Moscow, and the only practical way to move stuff across that vast expanse is via a handful of train lines that are already overstressed.

Finally, a point I don’t think gets enough emphasis is the extreme difference in economic power between Russia and China.

Some politicians are warning about a possible “arc of autocracy” reminiscent of the World War II Axis — and given the atrocities underway, that’s not an outlandish comparison. But the partners in any such arc would be wildly unequal.

Putin may dream of restoring Soviet-era greatness, but China’s economy, which was roughly the same size as Russia’s 30 years ago, is now 10 times as large. For comparison, Germany’s gross domestic product was only two and a half times Italy’s when the original Axis was formed.

So if you try to imagine the creation of some neofascist alliance — and again, that no longer sounds like extreme language — it would be one in which Russia would be very much the junior partner, indeed very nearly a Chinese client state. Presumably that’s not what Putin, with his imperial dreams, has in mind.

China, then, can’t insulate Russia from the consequences of the Ukraine invasion. It’s true that the economic squeeze on Russia would be even tighter if China joined the democratic world in punishing aggression. But that squeeze is looking very severe even without Chinese participation. Russia is going to pay a very high price, in money as well as blood, for Putin’s megalomania.
 
Are you planning to invade Pakistan?

Been three times already.

As regards overshadowing, overshadowing how? It's economy is sh*t, and about to get much sh*tter, it has almost zero support for its current actions on the world stage. Even its allies abstain. And it's lost over 1,000 military vehicles to a country much smaller than it. That's a like 15 year-old on free-school meals picking a fight with a 10 year-old primary school kid on the way home and getting his nose bust in the opening seconds. Good job over-shadowing us.


Meanwhile I have some child in a country that's been outperfomed economically by a Communist dictatorship threatening to invade neighbours and telling me that the largest economy in the world has been overshadowed just because it doesn't want to unleash a f**king nuclear winter on the planet.

Having nuclear deterrence and no conventional capability is useless. The US's main aim was to sanction Russia and they managed to do it by sacrificing Ukraine.
 
Been three times already.



Having nuclear deterrence and no conventional capability is useless. The US's main aim was to sanction Russia and they managed to do it by sacrificing Ukraine.
The US has no conventional capability??? :ROFLMAO:

@WHOHE, @sunstersun

Putin's conventional capability isn't looking so great right now. Just imagine if those long convoys got subjected to a CBU-105 attack. It was Putin who threatened to resort to nukes if NATO got involved, why would he do that if his conventional capability is superior?
 
gasoline prices in US have already hit the roof, they are on their way to create record inflation. More than harming russia , US itself is in danger of getting into recession.

It's temporary though. The US plans to bring Venezuela and Iran into the oil market to cool prices. The Russians represent 5 millon bpd. Iran and Venezuela can add 3-4 million bpd within 6 months too.

Pretty neat, eh? The way the Americans have planned everything out.

The Russians are trying to create roadblocks to keep prices rising though, particularly using Iran. So we have to see what that does in the long run.
 
China knows if russia falls then they are the next target , dont think they are foolish to let russia collapse and invite US to run over them. On the other hand this may be their chance to ensure US gets stuck with russia while they move up silently.

Chinese will buy russian oil while russians buy their goods in return , they may run into deficit but thats for another day. This will be chinese chance to prop up russia against US dont think they will let that go waste.

Yep, it's in China's interests if Russia becomes more dependent on them. I feel like the US has shot itself in the foot.
 
How exactly will the US run over China? The only US position on China is that Taiwan should remain independent, since it effectively has been for the last 70 years and freedom of navigation in the SCS. As long as China doesn't do a Russia, nothing will happen. That said, if the CCP ever moved aside, Taiwan and China would likely re-unite under a voluntary democracy anyway. The CCP is the single biggest obstacle to One China, they're literally in their own way.


In deciding to invade Ukraine, Vladimir Putin clearly misjudged everything. He had an exaggerated view of his own nation’s military might; my description last week of Russia as a Potemkin superpower, with far less strength than meets the eye, looks even truer now. He vastly underrated Ukrainian morale and military prowess, and failed to anticipate the resolve of democratic governments — especially, although not only, the Biden administration, which, in case you haven’t noticed, has done a remarkable job on everything from arming Ukraine to rallying the West around financial sanctions.

I can’t add anything to the discussion of the war itself, although I will note that much of the commentary I’ve been reading says that Russian forces are regrouping and will resume large-scale advances in a day or two — and has been saying that, day after day, for more than a week.
What I think I can add, however, is some analysis of the effects of sanctions, and in particular an answer to one question I keep being asked: Can China, by offering itself as an alternative trading partner, bail out Putin’s economy.

No, it can’t.

Let’s talk first about the impact of those sanctions.

One thing the West conspicuously hasn’t done is try to block Russian sales of oil and gas — the country’s principal exports. Oh, the United States might ban imports of Russian oil, but this would be a symbolic gesture: Oil is traded on a global market, so this would just reshuffle trade a bit, and in any case U.S. imports from Russia account for only about 5 percent of Russian production.

The West has, however, largely cut off Russia’s access to the world banking system, which is a very big deal. Russian exporters may be able to get their stuff out of the country, but it’s now hard for them to get paid. Probably even more important, it’s hard for Russia to pay for imports — sorry, but you can’t carry out modern international trade with briefcases full of $100 bills. In fact, even Russian trade that remains legally permitted seems to be drying up as Western companies that fear further restrictions and a political backlash engage in “self-sanctioning.”
How much does this matter? The Russian elite can live without Prada handbags, but Western pharmaceuticals are another matter. In any case, consumer goods are only about a third of Russia’s imports. The rest are capital goods, intermediate goods — that is, components used in the production of other goods — and raw materials. These are things Russia needs to keep its economy running, and their absence may cause important sectors to grind to a halt. There are already suggestions, for example, that the cutoff of spare parts and servicing may quickly cripple Russia’s domestic aviation, a big problem in such a huge country.


But can China provide Putin with an economic lifeline? I’d say no, for four reasons.
First, China, despite being an economic powerhouse, isn’t in a position to supply some things Russia needs, like spare parts for Western-made airplanes and high-end semiconductor chips.

Second, while China itself isn’t joining in the sanctions, it is deeply integrated into the world economy. This means that Chinese banks and other businesses, like Western corporations, may engage in self-sanctioning — that is, they’ll be reluctant to deal with Russia for fear of a backlash from consumers and regulators in more important markets.

Third, China and Russia are very far apart geographically. Yes, they share a border. But most of Russia’s economy is west of the Urals, while most of China’s is near its east coast. Beijing is 3,500 miles from Moscow, and the only practical way to move stuff across that vast expanse is via a handful of train lines that are already overstressed.

Finally, a point I don’t think gets enough emphasis is the extreme difference in economic power between Russia and China.

Some politicians are warning about a possible “arc of autocracy” reminiscent of the World War II Axis — and given the atrocities underway, that’s not an outlandish comparison. But the partners in any such arc would be wildly unequal.

Putin may dream of restoring Soviet-era greatness, but China’s economy, which was roughly the same size as Russia’s 30 years ago, is now 10 times as large. For comparison, Germany’s gross domestic product was only two and a half times Italy’s when the original Axis was formed.

So if you try to imagine the creation of some neofascist alliance — and again, that no longer sounds like extreme language — it would be one in which Russia would be very much the junior partner, indeed very nearly a Chinese client state. Presumably that’s not what Putin, with his imperial dreams, has in mind.

China, then, can’t insulate Russia from the consequences of the Ukraine invasion. It’s true that the economic squeeze on Russia would be even tighter if China joined the democratic world in punishing aggression. But that squeeze is looking very severe even without Chinese participation. Russia is going to pay a very high price, in money as well as blood, for Putin’s megalomania.

70% of Russia's semiconductor needs are supplied by China, it's typically used by the industry. And the US hasn't stopped consumer companies from selling to Russia for the civilian market.

2 Russian banks have escaped sanctions due to the oil trade and other banks may end up using these 2 banks for forex trading.
 
70% of Russia's semiconductor needs are supplied by China, it's typically used by the industry. And the US hasn't stopped consumer companies from selling to Russia for the civilian market.

2 Russian banks have escaped sanctions due to the oil trade and other banks may end up using these 2 banks for forex trading.
Check again on that.



Wait long enough and everything comes true. :ROFLMAO:

 
It's temporary though. The US plans to bring Venezuela and Iran into the oil market to cool prices. The Russians represent 5 millon bpd. Iran and Venezuela can add 3-4 million bpd within 6 months too.

Pretty neat, eh? The way the Americans have planned everything out.

The Russians are trying to create roadblocks to keep prices rising though, particularly using Iran. So we have to see what that does in the long run.
The US are net exporters of energy, they have their own oil , they just don't normally use it.
Yep, it's in China's interests if Russia becomes more dependent on them. I feel like the US has shot itself in the foot.
You think China wants to bail Russia out forever.