US - Iran Flare Up

[randomradio]

Already the Saudis have sent a delegation to Washington. They dont want a war their pretty army cant fight. Iran is like a beat up 15 year old car, a few fender benders wont matter to it as long as the regime manages to stay in power. Saudis are shit scared about taking any damages which will cost them a pretty penny to fix especially at a time when money is not that easy and they are trying very hard to move away from an Oil economy

The GCC isn't such a big problem for the Iranians, it's the US.

And right now, Iran's air force is absolute sh!t. So they need to modernise as fast as possible. I believe we will be seeing some big ticket military deals pretty soon, much earlier than expected.

 

[vsdoc]

There is no declared war between US and Iran.
For equivalence, what US did is like: Soviet Union assassinating US centcom commander, because he had supplied weapons to Afghan mujahedeen who had killed thousands of Soviet troops.
Now, the US thinks it can get away with it.. But, what the US did was killing the second most powerful man in the regime, to weaken Khamenei's grip on power, and also Iran's grip on proxies abroad. So, it is kind of a regime change attempt. After, tomorrow when Soleimani is buried in Kerman, it would get very interesting, and many American soldiers will die..
Khamenei will not let this pass.. And without invasion of Iran, no amount of bombing from the sky will topple the regime..

Which is why I told he who needs to quickly grow up that a war crime without a war is just a crime.

I think this is a generational English thing ...

Cheers, Doc

 

[Sulla84]

Which is why I told he who needs to quickly grow up that a war crime without a war is just a crime.

I think this is a generational English thing ...

Cheers, Doc

And the best part is.. Trump trying to frighten the iranians that .. cultural sites.. viz. Mosques will be bombed, all the while forgetting that Iran might blow up ancient churches in Bethlehem and jerusalem.. Church of nativity anyone...

 

[vsdoc]

And the best part is.. Trump trying to frighten the iranians that .. cultural sites.. viz. Mosques will be bombed, all the while forgetting that Iran might blow up ancient churches in Bethlehem and jerusalem.. Church of nativity anyone...

Most Iranians don't give a fug about most mosques anyways.

One of the favourite pastimes during their now regular Persian springs is burning mosques.

Many of their oldest mosques are actually Zoroastrian temples.

What the Americans are hinting at is bombing Persepolis and other ancient heritage ruins.

And yes you're right. Nothing sacred in the Middle East will stand after that.

Jew, Christian or Muslim.

Cheers, Doc

 

[vstol Jockey]

Let us see what the so called great Zoroastrians can do to Americans now? Once again they will run away from the field to be saved by Indians only.

 

[vsdoc]

Let us see what the so called great Zoroastrians can do to Americans now? Once again they will run away from the field to be saved by Indians only.

Panditji Soren bhaiyya ne kaisa maara pichwade mein?

Happy New Year to you and your family buddy. You're alright as far as I'm concerned.

A mythological kook, but genuine.

Cheers, Doc

 

[vstol Jockey]

Panditji Soren bhaiyya ne kaisa maara pichwade mein?

Happy New Year to you and your family buddy. You're alright as far as I'm concerned.

A mythological kook, but genuine.

Cheers, Doc

In the battle of Kanadhar, when Hindus joined Zoroatrians, who ran away from the battle?

 

[_Anonymous_]

Let us see what the so called great Zoroastrians can do to Americans now? Once again they will run away from the field to be saved by Indians only.

You must be aware that were three occasions when the mighty Persians folded up like a House of Cards, inexplicably, against an inferior opposition. The First was Darius -III losing to Alexander. The Persians never regained sovereignty over their country for another 2 centuries. And when they did the Parthians ruled over Iran. The next was when the Persians lost the war, their nation & their religion to Islamic horses. The last was slightly different in that the Safavids who were ruling Iran,after just taking power there & were Shi'ite, forcibly converted a Sunni Majority Iran to Shi'ism.

The first time a Zoroastrian won a war after their defeats against the Arabs was in 1971 with Indian troops. You can imagine what would've happened if the troops were Zoroastrian too.

 

[vsdoc]

In the battle of Kanadhar, when Hindus joined Zoroatrians, who ran away from the battle?

Boss as recently as the 16th century your Rajputs ran (eventually), while we held the field.

We've forgotten more about fighting in our thousand years here than a billion of you ever knew as a civilization against others.

All you're good at is fighting each other.

Equal terms ...

And it continues to this day. Hindu on Muslim.

India on Pakistan.

And yet another civilizational defeat in '62.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Jaymax]

The GCC isn't such a big problem for the Iranians, it's the US.

And right now, Iran's air force is absolute sh!t. So they need to modernise as fast as possible. I believe we will be seeing some big ticket military deals pretty soon, much earlier than expected.

I'd say Iranians have a few surprises up their sleeves. They put in a few upgrades to their F-14s, snuck in thermal batteries for their phoenixes and have been generally good in employing wacky ideas. They ll take a fair amount of punches from the US but they will hurt the Arabs bad.

Also given the way they think, they will have gamed their response to a US attack factoring in Gulf War 1 and 2. US wont be able to bribe its way out this time.

 

[vstol Jockey]

Boss as recently as the 16th century your Rajputs ran (eventually), while we held the field.

We've forgotten more about fighting in our thousand years here than a billion of you ever knew as a civilization against others.

All you're good at is fighting each other.

Equal terms ...

And it continues to this day. Hindu on Muslim.

Cheers, Doc

When Darias-3 ran away from Alexender, It was his Indian troops who fought till death and they nearly destroyed one of his flank. Alexender had to give up pursuit of Darias-3 to save his flank. yet these guys think themselves to be gods own balls.
The 16th century battle you are talking about is not about Zoroastrians and Rajputs but about converted Hindus and Rajputs. Those who fought under Persian flag were not persian soldiers but converted Hindus only. So you were a failure there also.
Thrid rate Arabs over ran you and converted you to Islam within 50 years of Islam coming to this world. It took another 400years for Islam to cross Indus. And wherever Islam has gone, they have converted everyone to Islam or killed the Pagan. BUT they could do fu$k to Hindus, we are still 80% Hindus as a nation.

 

[_Anonymous_]

A very interesting situation. We (i.e. @nair and few more of us) had delved on this in the older forum. A world of opportunities open up for India. If played right.

Unlike the popular misconception, Mr Trump is not the fool that everyone takes him to be.

Honestly, what will be the targets for the Iranians? US bases in Iraq? US, under him, will be happy to get out of it on the pretext that the present dispensation has asked US to quit.

This serves his and ironically US' interests in 02 ways:

1. Draw down of troops, something that the US public wants and he fought an election on.
2. Allows for a situation wherein Iran will also target US facilities in the GCC countries. That shall force the Saudis to act. Situation becomes interesting for Saudis and the GCC alliance as they shall have to either get involved in Iraq (if US forces withdraw) directly or indirectly and also open up another front against Iran from Pakistan (Baluchistan angle). This also pits Iranians and Pakistanis against each other, with the latter having no option but to side with KSA on this, thereby pitting Pakistan against Iran in Afghanistan as also opening up a can of worms in Baluchistan and Baluchistan-Sistan region. And we all know why that serves US' interests too (CPEC)

It is something we predicted will be the action by US. With Turkey at loggerheads with Iran in Syria, with Saudi Arabia in Libya, this will effectively put the so called Islamic world against one another.

Well played indeed.

@nair damn ... we need to go poke our friends on our west with a 'we told you so' post on the relevant thread !!!

I was thinking hard on this one since I read your post. While Pakistan would definitely be a factor in the US + KSA calculations, I'm betting that the last time KSA requested NS & Rahil Sharif for troops in Yemen, the latter declined. This would certainly have prompted KSA to hunt for redundancies.

The dark horse here is Egypt . If you've noticed, a lot of arms & platforms have been procured by Egypt with KSA & UAE money. Plus the Sisi regime in Egypt doesn't see eye to eye with Erdogan whose AK party supports the Muslim Brotherhood. This entire relationship is under the radar. I believe this card will be played when push comes to shove.

 

[vsdoc]

When Darias-3 ran away from Alexender, It was his Indian troops who fought till death and they nearly destroyed one of his flank. Alexender had to give up pursuit of Darias-3 to save his flank. yet these guys think themselves to be gods own balls.
The 16th century battle you are talking about is not about Zoroastrians and Rajputs but about converted Hindus and Rajputs. Those who fought under Persian flag were not persian soldiers but converted Hindus only. So you were a failure there also.
Thrid rate Arabs over ran you and converted you to Islam within 50 years of Islam coming to this world. It took another 400years for Islam to cross Indus. And wherever Islam has gone, they have converted everyone to Islam or killed the Pagan. BUT they could do fu$k to Hindus, we are still 80% Hindus as a nation.

No bro.

I'm talking about a PARSI army.

I've posted this a long time ago to Rathore.

Chal let's not derail this thread. I know both histories well.

Cause I'm a Parsi. Indian born and bred Persian.

To mujhe mat sikhao.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Paro]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1214197038063243266

Someone please save a screenshot of this.

 

[Sulla84]

Someone please save a screenshot of this.

Killing a General and a regime favorite like a dog, in a drone strike... Iran cannot let this go unanswered if they have some Honour... Even if US retaliation is huge...

 

[BMD]

Did you attend the wake for him in London? How was it?

London is full of largely non-British origin people. There are people there who would hold a wake if you killed a coyote.

 

[Sulla84]

London is full of largely non-British origin people. There are people there who would hold a wake if you killed a coyote.

Hope you don't get stabbed in London

 

[BMD]

US committed a war crime. This is similar to Iran killing visiting US JCOS or vice president to a 3rd country.

1. You'll find that international law has a proviso that allows for acting in the interests of national security regardless of all other laws. Now given that this man was the architect of various attacks on US personnel and diplomats, including the recent attack on the US embassy in Iraq, I think that qualifies as a national security concern.

2. Iran was behind the attack on the US embassy and US diplomats, hence they rescinded diplomatic immunity first.

Hope you don't get stabbed in London

I won't because I never go there.

 

[BMD]

U need to look at definitions or atleast use logic. There are various conventions under it signed by various countries

I suggest you do the same. What you're essentially claiming is diplomatic immunity for a general who was behind an attack on diplomats. Aside from the hypocrisy, when you fire the first shot, you start a war and in a war it is not illegal to target the enemy's military hierarchy under any international law.

 

[Deathstar]

1. You'll find that international law has a proviso that allows for acting in the interests of national security regardless of all other laws. Now given that this man was the architect of various attacks on US personnel and diplomats, including the recent attack on the US embassy in Iraq, I think that qualifies as a national security concern.

2. Iran was behind the attack on the US embassy and US diplomats, hence they rescinded diplomatic immunity first.

I won't because I never go there.

So Obama should be killed for killing thousands in Libya , Syria. Isnt it? Same with Bush , Clinton,. Bush Sr and all the military cheifs

I suggest you do the same. What you're essentially claiming is diplomatic immunity for a general who was behind an attack on diplomats. Aside from the hypocrisy, when you fire the first shot, you start a war and in a war it is not illegal to target the enemy's military hierarchy under any international law.

There isnt any declared war with Iran. Get yiur facts right. What if Iran kills US VP? How will Uas react?