Wagner Group Mutiny Against Russia | Mercenaries moving across Lipetsk towards Moscow - Live Updates
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Sure, the only choices are to fight the insurgency or fight the insurgency and Russia.
The Russians apparently destroyed the oil depot.
Depends on what the objective was.
It appears Prigozhin had tricked many of the convoy troops. He told them they were going to Belgorod, perhaps to join a few other Wagner units there. Some fanatics drove them closer to Moscow.
There is no insurgency without Russian intervention, as per Ukraine. In the regions of Ukraine where supposedly 99% of people voted for Russian annexation, they're having to set up concentration camps for people who don't want Russian passports.
It won't be like the Donbass War where the EU turned a blind eye to Russian presence in Ukraine for its convenience, if there are Russian forces in the Baltics, which there would be in the event of an insurgency, then we will highlight the fact and come straight at Russia wherever it is convenient to destroy their military assets, regardless of whether they are involved or not.
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Russia is now trying to claim that nearly all the crews of the downed helicopters are alive. This goes to prove a point about Russia and their loss statistics.
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И да, по моей информации: 1 Ми-8 МТПР остался в поле - экипаж жив; 1 Ми-8 МТПР сел на вынужденную и сгорел - экипаж жив; 1 Ми-35 подбит, экипаж жив; 1 Ка-52 сбит, экипаж, к сожалению погиб. upd: 1 Ми-28 дошел в дырках - экипаж жив. 1 Ми-8 МТПР сбит вчера над Луганском. Командир успел...
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This story is actually from December 2022 but quite prophetic.
breakingdefense.com
‘Everybody has weapons’: Russia’s balkanized military sparks civil unrest concerns - Breaking Defense
The Wagner Group is one of several armed factions that rarely coordinate with Russia's mainline military forces - and more may be forming.
Pakistani tactics, eh? No matter what others do to Pak, they will attack India in response.
Anyway, I doubt NATO is ready for a ground war with Russia. With the exception of Poland, I don't see anybody important making a move for a bigger army. Since that's not in the cards, then no point attacking Russia.
No, we will definitely prove their involvement, but we will come for all Russian military assets in such an event, not just the idiots they have inside the Baltics. The Black Sea Fleet will be the first thing to go and we will wipe out all their supply lines to that conflict inside Belarus and inside Russia. It will be regarded as an attack on NATO and it will be full war, no games, no oxygen, no geographical restrictions on targeting.Pakistani tactics, eh? No matter what others do to Pak, they will attack India in response.
Also, let's face fact, Europe is not Southern Asia, or The Middle East, or Africa. If something happens in the Baltics, it does not require Sherlock Holmes to get to the bottom of it.
Don't make us laugh. Ukraine is currently pushing Russia back in a ground war and their power structure is in turmoil. Putin can't even guarantee the reaction of its armed forces in such an event. Frankly they're looking more like a 1991 Iraq than a superpower. 25% of NATO firepower is enough to beat all Russia firepower.
NATO Projected Firepower (2024)
Details of projected NATO firepower including manpower, airpower, naval forces, and overall strength
www.globalfirepower.com
That website is useless for Russia now. Plus they are militarising and Europe is not.
Anyway, Ukraine started off with an army that's much bigger than all the main powers in Europe combined. The rest of Europe does not have such a large army. Even a combined British, French, German, Italian, Spanish, Polish and Finnish armies are smaller than the Ukrainian army. And in terms of active heavy weapons, it's very likely that what the Russians have on the field today is more than what the European component of NATO has in active service.
So, if Russia responds with an insurgency in Europe, I don't believe NATO will attack Russia, especially with the US distracted elsewhere.
Not accurate, the Russian Air Force lost 13 people and a few people have been shot on the ground, too.
Dude, Wagner PMC with 25k people was ready for a ground war with Russia, and you think NATO isn't? 90% of Russian troops are stuck in trenches in Ukraine; there's no one guarding the borders -- even the borders with Ukraine, which is how those anti-Kremlin Russian militia could do their stunts in
It's Russia who's not ready for a ground war with NATO; and never will be.
They're losing tanks and artillery faster than they can produce new ones. Their "unstoppable supersonic missiles" are routinely downed by boring old Patriot systems; meanwhile they've been unable to shoot down the Storm Shadow missiles that were given to Ukraine. Ukraine has been kicking Russia's *censored* despite having to act under Russian air superiority.
At some point, reality has to enter the picture. Russia sucks, it is a thoroughly corrupt and dysfunctional country which has no chance of winning a fight against NATO.
The USSR imploded because it tried to keep up with the West and just couldn't. Russia is not the USSR; it's much smaller; while now the West is much bigger.
Foreign mercenaries are not an insurgency.