Wagner Group Mutiny Against Russia | Mercenaries moving across Lipetsk towards Moscow - Live Updates

Russia is a self-sufficient trade surplus nation. When an exporter weakens its currency, it's called currency manipulation, 'cause production becomes cheaper and more economical and therefore more competitive.
You don't run a 7.5% interest rate to weaken the currency, nice try though. :ROFLMAO:
For example, in 2013, if oil was $100 a barrel and they sold 3.5 mbpd of oil, they would earn roughly $128B or 4T rubles. That's 32 to a dollar.
Today, even at $60, they will earn 6.5T rubles. That's 86 to a dollar. So higher earnings compared to 2023.
So why do they have a huge budget deficit this year?:ROFLMAO: And that 6.5T rubles will still be worth about the same as 4T last year due to inflation.

You spin it positive when the ruble goes up and spin it positive when it goes down. You Hindustan Times connoisseurs are all the same. This time on Saturday you guys were arguing Wagner's rebellion was a CIA conspiracy and now it's a 15-D chess move by Putin. You just spin a wheel and blurt out whatever bullsh*t it lands on.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Domobran7
Their military exercises are choreographed. They don't try to replicate real battle conditions. They don't know what to do in a real war.

Yeah, the oligarchy has to wake up to reality. At least they now have actual battle experience. That's an advantage now.

They'll never have the budget for that.

They do. Their national budget has effectively doubled in the last 5 years.

#17427
1.png


You can expect that to increase a whole lot more over the next 5 years. A weakened currency means the cash-rich govt has more rubles to spend. This is not visible in Western media because they like to convert everything to a currency that's useless inside Russia. It shows how rapidly Russia's economy is growing.

The story of portable villages that are just façades is indeed a myth. But the actual story that was exaggerated into the myth, of villages where the parts that would be visited by the Empress were cleaned up and decorated to hide the squalor, that's historical fact.


And that's kind of what we see in Russia today, as we've seen in the Soviet Union before: a lot of "white lies", a lot of performances that are achieved on paper, but a reality that is far less rosy.


Okay, but all poorer nations do this. Even locally with other leaders coming in. A lot of it has to do with hiding facts from the eyes rather than on paper. For example, every Tom, Dick and Harry knows India has poverty, but visible signs of poverty in cities are hidden in India when important foreign dignitaries visit. For example, under construction buildings are hidden, old buildings are painted, beggars on streets are rounded up and taken away. Even local gangs are told to behave.

Russian state media is a sitcom without a laugh track. It's designed to be outlandish because the public has nowhere else to vent, so they watch these clowns make fools of themselves. Just treat them as the entertainment they really are.

The real stuff coming out of Russia cannot be read or heard, it has to be analysed. Like the graph above with data is far more telling of the state of their economy than anything else out there.
 
:ROFLMAO:
Okay, but all poorer nations do this. Even locally with other leaders coming in. A lot of it has to do with hiding facts from the eyes rather than on paper. For example, every Tom, Dick and Harry knows India has poverty, but visible signs of poverty in cities are hidden in India when important foreign dignitaries visit.
Yeah but Russia is worse than India and behaves in a way that will keep it worse than India.

For example, to deal with the problem of poor areas not having sanitation infrastructure, India launched the Swachh Bharat campaign, building tens of millions of toilets where they were needed. Such a program would never happen in Russia because Russia doesn't care about the health and welfare of its population. The closest equivalent you can find is the systematic looting of toilet seats from Ukraine during this invasion.

You can expect that to increase a whole lot more over the next 5 years. A weakened currency means the cash-rich govt has more rubles to spend. This is not visible in Western media because they like to convert everything to a currency that's useless inside Russia. It shows how rapidly Russia's economy is growing.
No, not really.

Russia's economy is entirely supported by hydrocarbon sales, and money saved through the previous years to fund this war. The former is hit by the price cap and the simple fact that Russia no longer has customers for its refined oil -- China and India prefer to buy crude oil and refine it themselves. The latter is not infinite, and already largely burnt through.

The increase in military spending is also not helping Russia's economy grow. All the money that goes into tanks and bombs is money that is not going into investment that actually bring a profitable return. You can benefit from defense spending if it helps you sell weapons, but that's no longer the case for Russia; nobody wants their weapons anymore, because on the one hand there are sanctions if you do buy them (CAATSA) and on the other hand they have been combat-disproven. Russian weapons are so bad that they had to emergency purchase better ones from Iran! And most of these weapon systems they spend their money on is then turned into vapor in Ukraine. It's just literally burning money, usually with people inside getting burned as well.

All the Russian casualties are also a problem for the economy. Corpses are not competitive employees, after all. While you could argue that all the looting and pillaging that they do in Ukraine does represent some influx of wealth for the country, by and large, modern warfare is not a profitable venture. Modern weapon systems are far too expensive for the plunder of a city to offset the cost of battlefield losses.

There's no way Russia's economy is actually growing.
 
The increase in military spending is also not helping Russia's economy grow. All the money that goes into tanks and bombs is money that is not going into investment that actually bring a profitable return. You can benefit from defense spending if it helps you sell weapons, but that's no longer the case for Russia; nobody wants their weapons anymore, because on the one hand there are sanctions if you do buy them (CAATSA) and on the other hand they have been combat-disproven. Russian weapons are so bad that they had to emergency purchase better ones from Iran! And most of these weapon systems they spend their money on is then turned into vapor in Ukraine. It's just literally burning money, usually with people inside getting burned as well.

All the Russian casualties are also a problem for the economy. Corpses are not competitive employees, after all. While you could argue that all the looting and pillaging that they do in Ukraine does represent some influx of wealth for the country, by and large, modern warfare is not a profitable venture. Modern weapon systems are far too expensive for the plunder of a city to offset the cost of battlefield losses.

There's no way Russia's economy is actually growing.
Ironically the increase in military spending does help the economy grow, because weapons and military equipment production still counts as GDP, the only problems are that:

1. Even with that the Russian GDP is still shrinking; and

2. It doesn't improve tax revenue because it's paid for with tax revenue.
OMG, stupid bloody people. :ROFLMAO:
 
I could swear randomradio is a supporter of the British Labour Party. He thinks budget come from fresh air. The GDP is down in Russia, the deficit is up, the debt is up, some of its GDP is allegedly trapped in rupees and their interest rates are at 7.5%. Do the maths.

Lol, interest rate in the US is 8.25%. India is at 6.5%. UK is at 5.5%.

An emerging market with 7.5% interest is nothing, it's fine. It was 20% last year.
 
Lol, interest rate in the US is 8.25%. India is at 6.5%. UK is at 5.5%.
US is 5.25%, UK is at 5%.

The fact that Russia's interest rate is higher than even India's is very worrying, and:

10 years ago there we 30 rubles to the dollar and 60 rupees, now there are 86 rubles and 81 rupees. :ROFLMAO:
An emerging market with 7.5% interest is nothing, it's fine. It was 20% last year.
Yeah, it was briefly 20% when the ruble fell like the turd that it is. 2 years ago it was 4.5%.
 
Yeah but Russia is worse than India and behaves in a way that will keep it worse than India.

For example, to deal with the problem of poor areas not having sanitation infrastructure, India launched the Swachh Bharat campaign, building tens of millions of toilets where they were needed. Such a program would never happen in Russia because Russia doesn't care about the health and welfare of its population. The closest equivalent you can find is the systematic looting of toilet seats from Ukraine during this invasion.

To be fair, a lot of India's problems are easy to solve. Russia's problems are practically impossible to solve due to the nature of their economy. Having a population only locally half as rich as Europe is also a problem. Basically, the govt is cash-rich, but the people are too poor to compete globally.

No, not really.

Russia's economy is entirely supported by hydrocarbon sales, and money saved through the previous years to fund this war. The former is hit by the price cap and the simple fact that Russia no longer has customers for its refined oil -- China and India prefer to buy crude oil and refine it themselves. The latter is not infinite, and already largely burnt through.

That's partly incorrect. Russia's selling more oil than ever. And they stopped selling refined fuels only recently to Europe. At least India plans to buy some of their refined fuels for reexports. India would sell Russian petroleum to the domestic market and export their own.

The Paris-based organisation said Russian exports increased by 50,000 barrels per day to 8.3 million bpd last month, estimating that the country did not fully deliver on a threat to cut production sharply.


Their gas sales will definitely decrease though.

The increase in military spending is also not helping Russia's economy grow. All the money that goes into tanks and bombs is money that is not going into investment that actually bring a profitable return. You canbenefit from defense spending if it helps you sell weapons, but that's no longer the case for Russia; nobody wants their weapons anymore, because on the one hand there are sanctions if you do buy them (CAATSA) and on the other hand they have been combat-disproven. Russian weapons are so bad that they had to emergency purchase better ones from Iran! And most of these weapon systems they spend their money on is then turned into vapor in Ukraine. It's just literally burning money, usually with people inside getting burned as well.

Yeah, no idea what they plan to do after the Indian well dries up. It was in the process of drying up even without the sanctions. There may be countries willing to buy in the future, but nothing as of now. I think the best they can do is do what Apple does, build core systems in Russia, assemble in India and sell it as a Made in India product, thereby circumventing the sanctions. It would require Russia to partner up with Indian companies with a marginally minority stake, 49.5%.

Anyway, you are incorrect about Russian weapons being bad. What is acknowledged is they are bad at using their own equipment. Of course, 'cause they don't train enough on it. And that's been established since long ago. The only difference is generational, on both sides. In the environment they are operating in, both Russian and Western weapons are struggling with the same issues.

All the Russian casualties are also a problem for the economy. Corpses are not competitive employees, after all. While you could argue that all the looting and pillaging that they do in Ukraine does represent some influx of wealth for the country, by and large, modern warfare is not a profitable venture. Modern weapon systems are far too expensive for the plunder of a city to offset the cost of battlefield losses.

There's no way Russia's economy is actually growing.

Their GDP isn't growing, but that's not a very relevant metric for a country suffering from the Dutch disease, ie, gets a lot of money from a single source and doesn't properly fit into as complex a calculation as GDP. Less poverty or more poverty doesn't matter to an oil-rich country, they will compensate for it via govt spending, as long as money is coming in from the outside as suplus.

Russia was placed second as its surplus increased by 1.7 times over the year to a record $333.4 billion. The country’s total exports reached $591.4 billion, up 19.9 per cent from 2021.

According to the data, energy sales constituted the bulk of Russia's foreign exports, reaching $383.73 billion—a 42.8 per cent year-on-year increase. Imports, however, slid 11.7 per cent to $259.1 billion compared to the previous year.


$384B in energy sales with a $1500B economy? That's way too big.

At $227.4B, their CAS is big too.

These numbers can't be faked, it's internationally available. And it's even bigger if you bring in the black market.
 
These numbers can't be faked, it's internationally available. And it's even bigger if you bring in the black market.
Actually they can because the figures are heavily censored in Russia. The deficit is what counts in this matter, it measures what the government is spending vs its revenue from all sources.

 
Last edited:
@randomradio - The only place Wagner can get weapons and fuel from for any attack is from Russia. The same goes for any separatist movements. Ergo, an attack by them is an attack by the Kremlin.