Air Battle over Kashmir : MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16

[screambowl]

The chinese GPS is also not so accurate. Even India has acquired this tech thru Israel only.

And what about their access to US military grade P(Y) signals from GPS? And if India jammed the gps which is possible by jamming the P(Y) signals then it might have caused the deviation. But I suppose there was no such jamming.

By the way I have not analyzed nor read them , but it's known to the engineer community related to Satellite comm and C/A designers that the Chinese signals are powerful and accurate if not very accurate.


The below is the article from April 9th states that M code will be available once it's ready so it means that Pakistan had access to the military grade P(Y) signals for nav?
New military code about to board 700+ platforms - GPS World

Will M-code be made available to other friendly nations? If so, how is this managed?

GPS Directorate. The current policy allows for the sale of M-code equipment to all 57 authorized GPS PPS nations. The M-code technology will be made available to these nations through the Foreign Military Sales process.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

a retaliatory raid would have been launched immediately.

With what? IAF? For all you know they are still searching for holes in Balakot. IAF is to defend us or "retaliate" after our army is bombed? They start crying if Army gets Helicopters, they want to keep even them but when it comes to use them they are missing.

Yes. They have shown video of just one bomb and not of other 7. They had fired about a total of 8 of them. What about the videos of other 7 bombs.

Sir you claimed in starting that bombs missed because they were jammed by two Su30 from 70km away and I think IAF officially or via sources also told us that raid failed because IAF saved us.

Now you are telling there is 100mtr error in GPS accuracy of Pakistan and other countries which is hard to buy. But if this is true it's even more shameful, than they intentionally bombed our army installation "successfully" with impunity and there was nobody to stop them.

What happened to those MRSAM, LRSAM, QRASAM, Akash, Barak, VSHORAD, MANPAD and other fancy sounding SAM's? Are they used only to down own assets and media hype or are they still learning to use it and to avoid friendly fire they prefer not to use it?

even after this if they dont release the balakot SAR images [which i think they wont]

I doubt they have any such images.

 

[randomradio]

Yes, I agree. This is most likely the first bomb the fired. But, IAF is really bad in the propaganda dept even after this if they dont release the balakot SAR images [which i think they wont], its a shame, really.

There is no need for us to win the propaganda war.

 

[zebra7]

I don't have the link to the video. But I was referring to the general theory that the PAF may have deliberately missed the targets. There are several reasons to back up this claim. To begin with, such a high profile attack on our air base or the IA Brigade HQ or even the ammo dump would've resulted in casualties. Which in turn would prompt India to up the ante which would certainly not be to Pakistan's liking at this point of time given their economy , internal security , their western frontiers and other issues.

This also neatly fits into the narrative they're promoting that the IAF either failed in Balakote or that the IAF deliberately missed. What justification could they offer to the international community if their counter attacks on the 27th Feb resulted in success and the matter escalated dangerously ? That they were responding in kind to the IAF attack on terrorist base camps which they themselves claim were failed attempts by targeting Indian armed forces?

Then they could easily removed the warhead prior to the mission, instead of dropping it to open field as claimed from Mirage3.

 

[zebra7]

Yes. They have shown video of just one bomb and not of other 7. They had fired about a total of 8 of them. What about the videos of other 7 bombs.

They were unguided ones

 

[Deathstar]

There is no need for us to win the propaganda war.

Absolutely wrong thinking , perception war is also an important part. Tax paying public deserves to know what happened with proofs, they deserve to know how the tax payer funded forces are performing their duties. We trust our forces but this trust works both ways right??? As a responsible democracy we have a right to question our forces.
Now last month another aircraft crashed btw 10th this year , we are worried about Pakistan downing our Su30 but we lose more aircrafts in crashes than Pakistan could ever dream about downing it.
What happened to court of inquiry of all the crashes??who was sacked? Whose responsibility it it? Or forces are allowed to get away citing national security??
Tax payers lose about 300-400 crore with each aircraft crashing like pack of cards.
More than Pakistan , we should worry about our ability to not to crash our own aircrafts and lose lives of precious pilots

 

[zebra7]

With what? IAF? For all you know they are still searching for holes in Balakot. IAF is to defend us or "retaliate" after our army is bombed? They start crying if Army gets Helicopters, they want to keep even them but when it comes to use them they are missing.



Sir you claimed in starting that bombs missed because they were jammed by two Su30 from 70km away and I think IAF officially or via sources also told us that raid failed because IAF saved us.

Now you are telling there is 100mtr error in GPS accuracy of Pakistan and other countries which is hard to buy. But if this is true it's even more shameful, than they intentionally bombed our army installation "successfully" with impunity and there was nobody to stop them.

What happened to those MRSAM, LRSAM, QRASAM, Akash, Barak, VSHORAD, MANPAD and other fancy sounding SAM's? Are they used only to down own assets and media hype or are they still learning to use it and to avoid friendly fire they prefer not to use it?


I doubt they have any such images.

Bottomline is what IAF said because they said so

 

[randomradio]

Absolutely wrong thinking , perception war is also an important part. Tax paying public deserves to know what happened with proofs, they deserve to know how the tax payer funded forces are performing their duties. We trust our forces but this trust works both ways right??? As a responsible democracy we have a right to question our forces.

Taxpayers don't need to know anything. You have a right to question the govt. The forces are answerable to the govt, not the people.

Now last month another aircraft crashed btw 10th this year , we are worried about Pakistan downing our Su30 but we lose more aircrafts in crashes than Pakistan could ever dream about downing it.
What happened to court of inquiry of all the crashes??who was sacked? Whose responsibility it it? Or forces are allowed to get away citing national security??
Tax payers lose about 300-400 crore with each aircraft crashing like pack of cards.
More than Pakistan , we should worry about our ability to not to crash our own aircrafts and lose lives of precious pilots

Dunno why 'you' need to know that.

 

[Deathstar]

Taxpayers don't need to know anything. You have a right to question the govt. The forces are answerable to the govt, not the people.



Dunno why 'you' need to know that.

Forces are protecting the people and hence answerable to the people via the government.
Tax payer has every right to know as he funds them. As a responsible democracy and Supreme constitution ,no one is above them ,not even armed forces.
Why i need to know?cz i pay taxes and when an aircraft crashes part of my tax money gets lost.
I have full right to know the truth. No one can get away under the garb of national security. Period
If such is the attitude that no one can question forces then the mutual trust will be shaken

 

[randomradio]

Forces are protecting the people and hence answerable to the people via the government.

Who they are protecting is irrelevant. Who can question them is relevant. And people have nothing to do there.

Tax payer has every right to know as he funds them.

Nope.

As a responsible democracy and Supreme constitution ,no one is above them ,not even armed forces.

Not even the people.

Why i need to know?cz i pay taxes and when an aircraft crashes part of my tax money gets lost.

It's not your problem though. I don't see you questioning the hundreds of govt vehicles that get into accidents every year.

I have full right to know the truth. No one can get away under the garb of national security. Period

Nope.

If such is the attitude that no one can question forces then the mutual trust will be shaken

Nope. Govt and courts can question forces, not the people.

 

[Deathstar]

Who they are protecting is irrelevant. Who can question them is relevant. And people have nothing to do there.

How is it irrelevant???lol this statement doesnt make sense? People have nothing to do with them? hilarious?so whats the use of armed forces them? Just spend billions of tax money

Nope.

Yes he has the right. Constitution gets itd power from the people , in a democracy people are supreme.

Not even the people.

I think u haven't seen the first page of the constitution i.e the preamble . It says " we the people of India"

It's not your problem though. I don't see you questioning the hundreds of govt vehicles that get into accidents every year.

2 wrongs dont make a right. I will question both. U cannot tell me its my prerogative. Its my problem ,my money funds them

Nope.

Again yes people have the right

Nope. Govt and courts can question forces, not the people.

People elect the government hence forces are indirectly answerable to the people. I think sir u dont know what representative democracy is.

 

[rockstarIN]

The Army has been fighting a limited War
For 30 years Now

So they know the Dynamics and what it entails

For the IAF , it was the First time BUT Not the last

Let them work out the Systems and Procedures , ie How will they Go about the Same Situation , in the Next Conflict

Why So much Despondency

Whether you guys believe it or Not
But I am sure IAF must have Bombed Pakistani assets and Targets after Feb 27
As a Revenge

They are NOT the types to Sit on their Hands

The Only thing that is left to be Done is a Public Humiliation of PAF by Shooting down
Several PAF planes

That day will also come

Before Feb 14 , India did not even use
155 Mm Artillery

Today we pound them mercilessly

This Conflict will only Intensify from here

Everything will be Avenged

We need s 400 for area denial over entire Kashmir area, then PAF is out of the scene

 

[randomradio]

How is it irrelevant???lol this statement doesnt make sense? People have nothing to do with them? hilarious?so whats the use of armed forces them? Just spend billions of tax money

Yes he has the right. Constitution gets itd power from the people , in a democracy people are supreme.

I think u haven't seen the first page of the constitution i.e the preamble . It says " we the people of India"


2 wrongs dont make a right. I will question both. U cannot tell me its my prerogative. Its my problem ,my money funds them

Again yes people have the right

People elect the government hence forces are indirectly answerable to the people. I think sir u dont know what representative democracy is.

Good luck in your endeavour of questioning the armed forces.

Have you ever heard of the term "need to know basis only"?

 

[Deathstar]

Good luck in your endeavour of questioning the armed forces.

Have you ever heard of the term "need to know basis only"?

Yes i know the term but this cannot be misuse to get away with responsibilities.
We are not a banana republic to treat armed forces as some divine power. They are like anyother common man. So yes i will question my armed forces and being critical doesn't mean i am anti national

 

[Golden_Rule]

And what about their access to US military grade P(Y) signals from GPS? And if India jammed the gps which is possible by jamming the P(Y) signals then it might have caused the deviation. But I suppose there was no such jamming.

By the way I have not analyzed nor read them , but it's known to the engineer community related to Satellite comm and C/A designers that the Chinese signals are powerful and accurate if not very accurate.


The below is the article from April 9th states that M code will be available once it's ready so it means that Pakistan had access to the military grade P(Y) signals for nav?
New military code about to board 700+ platforms - GPS World

Will M-code be made available to other friendly nations? If so, how is this managed?

GPS Directorate. The current policy allows for the sale of M-code equipment to all 57 authorized GPS PPS nations. The M-code technology will be made available to these nations through the Foreign Military Sales process.

@screambowl @Falcon @vstol Jockey @_Anonymous_ @nair @Paro

What is this?

 

[vstol Jockey]

@screambowl @Falcon @vstol Jockey @_Anonymous_ @nair @Paro

What is this?

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Even if PAF had access to M grade signals from either US or China, the error in Geodetic84 and geodetic100 is over 100s of meters. This explains the reason for missing the target by similar amount.

 

[Golden_Rule]

Even if PAF had access to M grade signals from either US or China, the error in Geodetic84 and geodetic100 is over 100s of meters. This explains the reason for missing the target by similar amount.

I meant the DP of @ screambowl it shows this

 

[Deathstar]

I meant the DP of @ screambowl it shows this

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Thats trolling Pakistani flag look at that twitter bird instead of star. It was posted as a meme by Gaurav Arya

 

[Freezerdam]

At least you have real video clip now.according to your media,you killed 350 during balakot strike.where is your real video? Sir bollywood movies and real life are totally different.


Call me brain wash or jahadi or whatever you like.one thing is clear.we will not go down this time.

What is this.......Pls explain if time@The deterrent

 

[screambowl]

We need s 400 for area denial over entire Kashmir area, then PAF is out of the scene

SPYDER is already there and s400 will be over kill for them that's what I think