Air Battle over Kashmir : MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16
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That's the best you can come up with?
I don't think you understand. Just because you are a citizen of India doesn't mean anything when it comes to national security. If you are not happy with the arrangement, then leave the country and become a citizen of a different country. No one will stop you.
It's because you have freedom is why you have no special status. You don't want freedom, then go become an army chief and then complain. The army chief doesn't have freedom.
That's true, national security is for aliens not citizens of the nation, how childish of him to think security is for citizens, by citizens.
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Lol you are no one to tell anyone to leave this country. Constitution gives me the right to speech which is a fundamental right ,even the Supreme court cannot take away this.
This has nothing to do with the Army chief lol ,clean your glasses and wake up. We are not a banana republic and no one is above the constitution not even armed forces.
If the government /forces tell me genuine reasons to avoid disclosing certain facts and i will gladly accept it as my duty but wont tolerate misuse of the term "national security" to highlight failure of duties and responsibilities.
Ajit Doval has also mentioned that security forces and intelligence should be made accountable, and this is one reason why so many were asked to resign or many were bypassed overlooking seniority rather the government went for competency for the appointment. One example is Army Chief and this is exactly what I was trying to explain in that stand off thread and had a thread ban.
There are more to resign from airforce or will be overlooked and government will appoint competent and honest ones.
There are more to resign from airforce or will be overlooked and government will appoint competent and honest ones.
Oh man you are dangerously close to being deported by team of neo patriots, watch out.
Then we are no different from banana republic of Pakistan.
Sometimes being critical is also a form of patriotism.
How is questioning armed forces about their performance wrong or anti national???
Should we sit quietly when aircraft crashes , pilot lose lives , crores wasted and no is held responsible?
When we can celebrate success of our forces why we refrain from questioning their failures.
Kargil committee was critical about various aspects of national security. So was it anit national ???
Can you point our where in the constitution says a citizen has the right to know military secrets?
Take it to court and hear it from a judge yourself about you having no such right instead of wasting time arguing with me. You have that right.
Just like you have the right to speak, the armed forces have the right to remain silent.
See, everybody has rights.
What is a so secret about when IAF plane crashes? Or some people fail to detect military build up of enemy across border. Its not about secrets its about 'accountability' . I have no doubt people would have been made accountable for lethargy in Air force and Navy and Army!
Just like my right to speech has reasonable restrictions , Forces have limited space to remain silent , cannot get away from duty failures.
Holding those responsible for lax attitude and failures shouldn't come under a gambit of "national security"
Armed forces are accountable to the govt.
And any lapses here result in serious consequences, so they keep up only if for the sake of keeping their heads attached to their bodies.
And when they speak during such instances, it's only to the civilian govt.
Ever wonder why the military has its own court system that's separate from the civilian?
When they speak to civilian government indirectly they answer to the public as the public has chose those sitting in the government and parliament.
I know they have seperate courts , this doesnt mean they are divine and shouldn't be questioned.
I will question when a new upgraded M2000 crashes and tax payer loses 250-300 crore in a blink while the poor pilot maims for life or loses his life.
You're using the same tired arguments you used with me a few months back. You could just copy paste them here instead of going through the trouble of retyping it.
Government is not a different entity from citizens. A sane public will not ask such questions which they think would hurt India's interest. People are not fools. People understand what can be asked and what not. And that's why there are 10 fundamental duties as well.
IAF is an Airforce designed to fight, not an aviation club. Crashes do happen if you push to the limits quite frequently. Barring Mig-21, our crash rate to flying hours ratio is fine.
I am specifically questioning about accountability. I am not saying that not a single crash should occur. But culprits should be held right. 11 crashes this year ,how many were held responsible? penalized? suspended?
Arguments don't change, just the people who you are arguing with changes. It's easier to reply directly than find those posts.