Air Battle over Kashmir : MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16

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The Deterrent said:
So which one is it? Seeker from a crashed F-16 or cheap replica or separated parts? Stick to one version, young man.

Interestingly, all the displayed items can be cross-referenced from the photos and an HD video of the crash site. Also, Pakistan Army being the propaganda machine it is, I wonder how nobody in PA thought to forge the evidence and make the missing pieces in a simple machine shop. Could've taken less than 24 hrs.
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How do we know what it is? I was giving the possibilities of what it can be and hardly anything can be corroborated from videos of crash site especially of R73.

This could well be cheap replica, who knows. If you had conclusive proof ISPR will be dancing on the roof with your media live streaming it. From nothing at all you claimed Su30, imagine the drama if you really had a thing on second missile. Your first attempt to assemble two different missiles and call them R73 backfired so this new propaganda.
 
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How do we know what it is? I was giving the possibilities of what it can be and hardly anything can be corroborated from videos of crash site especially of R73.

This could well be cheap replica, who knows. If you had conclusive proof ISPR will be dancing on the roof with your media live streaming it. From nothing at all you claimed Su30, imagine the drama if you really had a thing on second missile. Your first attempt to assemble two different missiles and call them R73 backfired so this new propaganda.
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If you have seen the specific video, and have the eye for recognizing missile parts, you would've seen them.

Anyhow, seems like officially displaying missile parts in a press conference on the day of the skirmish isn't exactly a great achievement...on our side of the border, at least.

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So the second R73 recovered from F-16's *censored*? Good work. Warhead part missing wonder why :whistle:
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So the warhead exploded but the seeker survived? :eek:
Never knew that IAF would use training rounds in combat. Or maybe R-73s jettison the seekers for reuse before detonation...who knows :unsure:
 
The Deterrent said:
So the warhead exploded but the seeker survived? :eek:
Never knew that IAF would use training rounds in combat. Or maybe R-73s jettison the seekers for reuse before detonation...who knows :unsure:
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Could be a proximity fuse Or its Sidewinder seeker of sola fighter.:D
 
The Deterrent said:
OR could be a Chinese clone of the R-73 that Pakistan got its hands on. Would explain why it took so long.
Did I mention how much I love conspiracy theories? :geek:
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IAF bought AMRAAM parts from eBay, JF-17 can fire AMRAAM, MKI shot down 150 km inside india. where should i stop?
 
The Deterrent said:
OR could be a Chinese clone of the R-73 that Pakistan got its hands on. Would explain why it took so long.
Did I mention how much I love conspiracy theories? :geek:
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The problem with merely displaying old Russian missiles is the fact that the R-73 is available in the black market from ex-Soviet states. For all you know, PAF themselves may have procured or obtained stocks of R-73 for tests previously. China also operates thousands of R-73s.

So the serial numbers associated with the missiles will be more important, although even verifying this would be difficult in open source.

I cannot confirm this, but AFAIK, the R-73 jettisons the seeker before the warhead detonates. @vstol Jockey?

Out of the 4 missiles, one R-73's warhead is missing. The other three have their warhead assemblies intact. Missile warheads do not explode accidentally.
 
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The problem with merely displaying old Russian missiles is the fact that the R-73 is available in the black market from ex-Soviet states. For all you know, PAF themselves may have procured or obtained stocks of R-73 for tests previously. China also operates thousands of R-73s.
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Tiawan and eBay flashbacks :eek:

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Out of the 4 missiles, one R-73's warhead is missing. The other three have their warhead assemblies intact. Missile warheads do not explode accidentally.
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To reiterate a point made earlier, the same PA who could source an R-73 from black market/China, couldn't get or fabricate the warhead part to justify the story?
 
The Deterrent said:
Tiawan and eBay flashbacks :eek:


To reiterate a point made earlier, the same PA who could source an R-73 from black market/China, couldn't get or fabricate the warhead part to justify the story?
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It's useless debate, unless serial number is obtained like in the case of AMRAAM everything become suspicious. Unless we clearly identify f16 wreckage even that f16 claim will remain doubtful for some.

2-3 facts are established without doubt so far, one is f16 was used, 2nd is Mig21 crashed in POK and 3rd is 2 pilots ejected from a platform as per multiple local witness and videos, rest everything is claimed by respective sides without complete evidence in public, maybe they have it in private maybe not.

But this news of f16 wont remain hidden for long, it's a foreign platform that can't be tempered with or substituted. Let's wait till then.
 
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randomradio said:
The problem with merely displaying old Russian missiles is the fact that the R-73 is available in the black market from ex-Soviet states. For all you know, PAF themselves may have procured or obtained stocks of R-73 for tests previously. China also operates thousands of R-73s.

So the serial numbers associated with the missiles will be more important, although even verifying this would be difficult in open source.

I cannot confirm this, but AFAIK, the R-73 jettisons the seeker before the warhead detonates. @vstol Jockey?

Out of the 4 missiles, one R-73's warhead is missing. The other three have their warhead assemblies intact. Missile warheads do not explode accidentally.
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The seeker head stays nearly intact as the explosive is placed behind the seeker head. Even the tail part with TVC can remain intact. Its only in direct impact that seeker may get destroyed completely. But the proximity fuse going off means that seeker may fall nearly intact and it will get damaged only on striking the ground.
 
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The Deterrent said:
Tiawan and eBay flashbacks :eek:

To reiterate a point made earlier, the same PA who could source an R-73 from black market/China, couldn't get or fabricate the warhead part to justify the story?
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It can be done, but wasn't. Maybe it wasn't thought through enough. Maybe it didn't happen and that's the real missile.

Regardless, the warhead is missing. It can't simply disintegrate into nothingness when the other three missiles are intact.
 
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all four missiles from Abhinandan MIG-21 recovered.
Then how did he shoot down Pakistani F-16 as claimed by indians?
 
safriz said:
View attachment 5245all four missiles from Abhinandan MIG-21 recovered.
Then how did he shoot down Pakistani F-16 as claimed by indians?
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If you take the severe impact damaged head of R73 of extreme left table & swap it with extreme right table.
You will get one table which did. Guess which one?
By the way nice tables, it this whats used in Pakistan schools
 
LoneWolfSandeep said:
If you take the severe impact damaged head of R73 of extreme left table & swap it with extreme right table.
You will get one table which did. Guess which one?
By the way nice tables, it this whats used in Pakistan schools
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LOL,,,, so at mach - 4 an explosion and impact happens and parts of missile remains intact?
 
length of R-73 is under 3m while that of R-77 is 3.7m. A difference of nearly 80cms or over 2.5 feet. yet all missiles are of same length.
 
nair said:
They are short of propaganda.... Worried of receiving tough questions.... So do the best.... create some more fake stories to keep the fanboys happy.....
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be prepared to see another picture of these four missiles from side view in which they will now try and show the difference in length. many a times we feed them information to come with doctored pictures.
 
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