Air Battle over Kashmir : MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16

Do you know why US sent it's reporters to Baghdad to videograph the air strike during desert storm? For a reason!

Indian babus tried to create an 'awe and shock' psychological effect on Pakistanis. But without visuals it's not an awe and shock. Rather Pakistanis succeeded in doing awe and shock when Abhinanda's image came out. Check mate!

Secondly, what is our intelligence doing? Can't even find the derbies of shot down f16, or single pic? This is terrific

After 15 years what will India have to show to kids, a pic of Abhinandan in blood thrashed by Pakistanis?

Kya ajeeb ch*tiya log hai yar

If your wife beats the crap out of you, and the next day you claim to your neighbours that nothing happened due to embarrassment, does that mean your wife didn't beat the crap out of you?

So only you and your wife know what happened. This perfectly suits the situation between India and Pakistan. Terrorists were killed, and that's it.

In this situation, you don't really need to know what happened. Who cares what the US did, they were fighting a war. We are not in this to win a perception war, only you are interested in the perception war. Even the govt, which has the most to benefit from winning a perception war is not bothered, so that should tell you why your opinion doesn't matter.
no one is interested in holes on roof. If there was explosion that must have been recorded.

Pak didn't allow reporters into the JeM camp for 40 days, and even after that they were not allowed to actually see the targeted areas. That should tell you all you need to know.
 
Only RAW and IB is kept away from RTI
all services are under RTI. I was in Vietnam when 27th happened and there I met bunch of Bangladeshis and they were like, what happened to Modi, we thought he is strong you should have taught Pakistan a lesson and I was like, they watched all that!

tumharey government, minister, babu giri se world mein image nahi banti. do din mein set kar diya Pakistan ne. Aur aisa kya teer mara IAF ne. Did Pakistan learn? Next day they came in.

They are constantly trying to do Pulwama every day!!

Sharam naam ki cheez hai Hindustanio mein to one should learn what is misssing and instead of covering up the left overs. I really feel upset when people claim big stuff while on otherside one cheek is red.

For ALL you critics it would be better if you use bigger platforms to make your points

Such as Twitter , Newspapers or even the
Congress party

For Millions like Me who were left heartbroken After the Govt chose the Diplomatic Option or say
" Dossier option " AFTER 26 / 11

Feb 26 ; 27 AND all the battles , standoffs
CAPs , skirmishes, High Alerts , intense exercises , Undeclared attacks thereafter ( Which are TRUE ) .were all Nothing but Cathartic

For me personally the most enjoyable moments in the months thereafter were

1 ) when Pakistanis used to Scream in Panic on Twitter on seeing Flight radar App , like this
" IAF C17 s have taken off from such and such bases OR IAF Awacs is moving towards Kashmir

This was the Fear I always wanted to see

2 ) When Indian Artillery smashed the hell out of them using 155mm and ATGMs and pounded them into silence forced them to vacate posts

Other than that , there is no point in going around in circles

To each his own , we can agree to disagree

There is No going back to the cowardly Strategic Restraint of UPA
 
Pak didn't allow reporters into the JeM camp for 40 days, and even after that they were not allowed to actually see the targeted areas. That should tell you all you need to know.

maverick! And still US runs after them, humari deal karvado Taliban se.


If your wife beats the crap out of you, and the next day you claim to your neighbours that nothing happened due to embarrassment, does that mean your wife didn't beat the crap out of you?

What nonsense! so you are saying in a world of digitisation there is not a single pic of shot down F16, no visual from Balakot. Bewkoof banana band karo yaar.

whole world watches discovery and Nat Geo and how US and Russia show off their weapons. Now days even a class 10th student knows basic about tomahawk and brahmos, and other stuff.

India failed big time in doing awe and shock. They did a bluff but did not expect that Pakistan will actually come the next day to target army installations.


Sharam se doob mar jana chahiye aise jhootey logo ko!! Desh ko bewkoof banaya hua hai
) when Pakistanis used to Scream in Panic on Twitter on seeing Flight radar App , like this
" IAF C17 s have taken off from such and such bases OR IAF Awacs is moving towards Kashmir

This was the Fear I always wanted to see

2 ) When Indian Artillery smashed the hell out of them using 155mm and ATGMs and pounded them into silence forced them to vacate posts

Other than that , there is no point in going around in circles

To each his own , we can agree to disagree

There is No going back to the cowardly Strategic Restraint of UPA


I am not interested about what IAF did afterwards. I am more concerned about 'awe and shock'
Indian military planners really need to learn how to conduct awe and shock ops.

40 soldiers died and you still care about f*cking diplomacy and what world will say if videos are put on internet. This is all nonsense.

Pakistani civilians in mainland should have been made to see those videos how IAF blew out their terrorist camps with a warning that it may repeat near lahore.

There are overt ops and covert ops, this was a covert op. Then Modi should have kept silent about air raid in Balakot and rather shown videos from near LC air raid for public consumption

I can plan better than these thakele budde!!
 
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maverick! And still US runs after them, humari deal karvado Taliban se.




What nonsense! so you are saying in a world of digitisation there is not a single pic of shot down F16, no visual from Balakot. Bewkoof banana band karo yaar.

whole world watches discovery and Nat Geo and how US and Russia show off their weapons. Now days even a class 10th student knows basic about tomahawk and brahmos, and other stuff.

India failed big time in doing awe and shock. They did a bluff but did not expect that Pakistan will actually come the next day to target army installations.


Sharam se doob mar jana chahiye aise jhootey logo ko!! Desh ko bewkoof banaya hua hai



I am not interested about what IAF did afterwards. I am more concerned about 'awe and shock'
Indian military planners really need to learn how to conduct awe and shock ops.

40 soldiers died and you still care about f*cking diplomacy and what world will say if videos are put on internet. This is all nonsense.

Pakistani civilians in mainland should have been made to see those videos how IAF blew out their terrorist camps with a warning that it may repeat near lahore.

See Pakistanis on PDF are More agitated and angry than you

Why because their Big Mouth Military
Did NOTHING after August 5

According to them because of poor performance of Pak Military AND their
Cowardice ; India got the " Courage " to SCRAP 370
 
Pakistani civilians in mainland should have been made to see those videos how IAF blew out their terrorist camps with a warning that it may repeat near lahore.

All those people who go to POK for JIHAD
are getting killed by Indian Artillery

When Pak Army has to bury its dead sodiers in Night , these Jihadis are Now good for nothing
 
Balakot strike is not even in doubt.There are before and after images with holes on roof showing SPICE penetrator entry points.
F-16 Pakistanis could have covered it up ,but ghafoora messed up with doosra banda in hospital and then calling him israeli (lol) and also the picture of rescue helicopter taken in the area just after incident.Doosra banda fiasco messed it up for them.
 
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See Pakistanis on PDF are More agitated and angry than you

Why because their Big Mouth Military
Did NOTHING after August 5

According to them because of poor performance of Pak Military AND their
Cowardice ; India got the " Courage " to SCRAP 370

I would appreciate it. No doubt. But I am strictly talking about thekele Buddhas in Military who don't understand that world has changed and in the era of digitization they need to learn how to mold public view how to devestate enemy without firing a single bullet , or when you fire a bullet overtly people should see and when you fire covertly don't boast about it. This is why modi realizing his mistake appointed CDS!

All those people who go to POK for JIHAD
are getting killed by Indian Artillery

When Pak Army has to bury its dead sodiers in Night , these Jihadis are Now good for nothing

What is happening in POK, except for pakistan army, no one else in Pakistan knows about. They disappeared f16 debris so you can imagine what is the level of iron curtain there.


No one is doubting the military, but when conducting operation one should know what to boast about and what to hide. And when you boast about something then show proof.
 
One thing IAF learned from this is the need for propaganda warfare.It simply was not prepared for the level of propaganda spouted out and didn't prepare for this 'digital social media judgement' thing.A new department has been opened.

We are into a New Territory ie
Conflict BELOW all out war
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Playing the ‘escalatory game’

Apart from strengthening its conventional prowess, Naravane said, the Army was also focusing on “dynamic responses — actions below the threshold of all-out war”.

The Balakot air strikes, according to him, were an example of playing the “escalatory game” with skill.

“We are refining our plans and capacities in this regard — both, along the western (Pakistan) and northern (China) borders.

We are developing kinetic and non-kinetic responses to address the threat,” he added.

He said the world was witnessing a new phenomenon — the availability of sufficient space for demonstration of military prowess and ascendancy that doesn’t erupt in an all-out conflict.

“Supposed acts of war not leading to war,” he added. “The Houthi rebels’ attack on Riyadh airport and oil facilities in Saudi Arabia and closer home, the Balakot air strike, saw these short, intense, escalatory cycles of military activity, in full media glare, where sophisticated information narratives played an equally important role.”

For years, General Naravane said, it was believed that any crossing of the Line of Control by air would lead to a full-fledged war.

Balakot demonstrated that if you play the escalatory game with skill, military ascendancy can be established in short cycles of conflict that do not necessarily lead to war,” he added.

**** .Read more at India No 1 Defence News Website Tanks, fighter aircraft will soon be on their way out like Sony Walkman: Army chief – Indian Defence Research Wing .
 
What we should prepare for in the next shootout is the Pakistani babur cruise missiles,its the only standoff capability left to them.Their airforce cant do shit inside indian airspace.Even with obsolete air defences and no forward deployed prime fighters they fled after firing from within pak airspace in this case.Pakistanis can have upto 300-400 baburs.Not sure how good their guidance is(even kalibrs/tomahawks crash by hitting objects during terrain hugging flight and baburs are far far cheaper),but air defences must be robust in forward areas.Akash Qrsam,Barak-8 and now ak-630 on trucks are all excellent signs.They have no defence against brahmos.
 
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maverick! And still US runs after them, humari deal karvado Taliban se.

Why not? Pakistan controls Taliban.

What nonsense! so you are saying in a world of digitisation there is not a single pic of shot down F16, no visual from Balakot. Bewkoof banana band karo yaar.

Have you ever seen mountains? We can't even find our own stuff that crash, never mind the enemy revealing locations of their own jet.

Also most of the F-16 burnt up in the air, so there won't be any debris. Too much fuel.

India failed big time in doing awe and shock. They did a bluff but did not expect that Pakistan will actually come the next day to target army installations.

Only you believe it's a bluff.

I am not interested about what IAF did afterwards. I am more concerned about 'awe and shock'
Indian military planners really need to learn how to conduct awe and shock ops.

Lol.

Shock and awe is when you bomb the living daylights out of the enemy. That's hitting power plants, factories etc. You are not even using the correct terms.

40 soldiers died and you still care about f*cking diplomacy and what world will say if videos are put on internet. This is all nonsense.

300+ terrorists were killed in 3 locations in revenge. Furthermore, action at LoC has killed 100+ Pak soldiers and an untold number of terrorists at their launchpads.

Pakistani civilians in mainland should have been made to see those videos how IAF blew out their terrorist camps with a warning that it may repeat near lahore.

Pakistani civilians are totally irrelevant. Only Pak Army matters.

There are overt ops and covert ops, this was a covert op. Then Modi should have kept silent about air raid in Balakot and rather shown videos from near LC air raid for public consumption

Modi was silent about the air raid, it was the Pakistanis who first revealed it.

All the Indian public needs to know is air strikes were conducted in revenge. Everything else is up to Pak Army.

I can plan better than these thakele budde!!

Given your knowledge in these matters, nope, even a peon in MoD would know better.

One thing IAF learned from this is the need for propaganda warfare.It simply was not prepared for the level of propaganda spouted out and didn't prepare for this 'digital social media judgement' thing.A new department has been opened.

What I think is they are disappointed that current levels of civilian satellite technology did not reveal information to prove the strikes.

Imagine if the weather permitted civilian satellites to pick up the damage in the early morning hours.
 
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What we should prepare for in the next shootout is the Pakistani babur cruise missiles,its the only standoff capability left to them.

They have the Ra'ad also. I don't know how accurate it is, but they can still launch the missile from standoff distances even if it misses the target by a mile.

Their airforce cant do shit inside indian airspace.Even with obsolete air defences and no forward deployed prime fighters they fled after firing from within pak airspace in this case.Pakistanis can have upto 300-400 baburs.Not sure how good their guidance is(even kalibrs/tomahawks crash by hitting objects during terrain hugging flight and baburs are far far cheaper),but air defences must be robust in forward areas.Akash Qrsam,Barak-8 and now ak-630 on trucks are all excellent signs.They have no defence against brahmos.

Yep, they won't be able to handle our air defences. Not without stealth aircraft at the minimum.
 
Have you ever seen mountains? We can't even find our own stuff that crash, never mind the enemy revealing locations of their own jet.

Also most of the F-16 burnt up in the air, so there won't be any debris. Too much fuel.

Okay so mig survived and F16 got burnt. Bravo!
Shock and awe is when you bomb the living daylights out of the enemy. That's hitting power plants, factories etc. You are not even using the correct terms.

Yes do that!!
Modi was silent about the air raid, it was the Pakistanis who first revealed it.

All the Indian public needs to know is air strikes were conducted in revenge. Everything else is up to Pak Army.

All India would now know is Abhinandan thrashed by Pakistanis. Those pics will peddle on internet every year for next 50 years.
Pakistani civilians are totally irrelevant. Only Pak Army matters.

Pakistan army is made of their civilians who join army. They need to be told that their army is irrelevant.
Given your knowledge in these matters, nope, even a peon in MoD would know better.

Keep blabbering.
300+ terrorists were killed in 3 locations in revenge. Furthermore, action at LoC has killed 100+ Pak soldiers and an untold number of terrorists at their launchpads.

no fire, no smoke nothing only dialogues.

Yep, they won't be able to handle our air defences. Not without stealth aircraft at the minimum.

They will not try to do that either, they have shifted their modus operandi.
 
What we should prepare for in the next shootout is the Pakistani babur cruise missiles,its the only standoff capability left to them.Their airforce cant do shit inside indian airspace.Even with obsolete air defences and no forward deployed prime fighters they fled after firing from within pak airspace in this case.Pakistanis can have upto 300-400 baburs.Not sure how good their guidance is(even kalibrs/tomahawks crash by hitting objects during terrain hugging flight and baburs are far far cheaper),but air defences must be robust in forward areas.Akash Qrsam,Barak-8 and now ak-630 on trucks are all excellent signs.They have no defence against brahmos.

I really doubt about babur capability, there is no single video which clearly shows missile dropping/hit etc.
salute to the courage of that sikh guy who wasn't ready to give up . A lone su30 facing many f16 and it's missiles are not giving him firing solution..

Who was that?
 
One thing IAF learned from this is the need for propaganda warfare.It simply was not prepared for the level of propaganda spouted out and didn't prepare for this 'digital social media judgement' thing.A new department has been opened.
Honestly, they should have bombed them SO god damn hard that we should not be searching for holes in sat images. We should have been searching for the GOD DAMN *censored*ING HILL the next day.
 
All India would now know is Abhinandan thrashed by Pakistanis. Those pics will peddle on internet every year for next 50 years.
Pakistan army is made of their civilians who join army. They need to be told that their army is irrelevant.
Keep blabbering.
no fire, no smoke nothing only dialogues.
They will not try to do that either, they have shifted their modus operandi.

You don't understand Pakistani mentality.They can't stop because kashmir and jehad is what keeps pakistan together and serves as justification for pak army to rule pak,they will keep trying terror attacks.Eventually one will get through and cause casualities.Forget 50 years,the next 10 years is likely to see 2-3 balakot like situations.The game has changed forever,there is no going back.
Exactly!!!

It was a first time,they were cautious and unsure as to reaction of world.
 
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You don't understand Pakistani mentality.They can't stop because kashmir and jehad is what keeps pakistan together and serves as justification for pak army to rule pak,they will keep trying terror attacks.Eventually one will get through and cause casualities.Forget 50 years,the next 10 years is likely to see 2-3 balakot like situations.The game has changed forever,there is no going back.

I will end by saying, we talk a lot and do less and then boast about it like anything. We waste money and dont spend wisely. The more India delays, the enemy will reach to your back bone by chewing the flesh out. I personally know people in those departments where they actually don't deserve to be. More I can't say. And due to such decision makers India has to suffer.

You talk about tactility of new aircrafts, AESA, Missiles, ESW and what not, where as enemy plans to sabotage them on ground. Till 2012 things used to get leak from PMO of India. So you can imagine what is going on. Pakistanis as per how things built up and as per pattern I believe on 27th they knew about Indian strength of aircrafts which can be scrambled. That's the level of preparedness they have in one 10th of Indian military budget.
 
Okay so mig survived and F16 got burnt. Bravo!

It happens. Sameer Joshi has an article about it.

Yes do that!!

Nope.

All India would now know is Abhinandan thrashed by Pakistanis. Those pics will peddle on internet every year for next 50 years.

That's okay.

Pakistan army is made of their civilians who join army. They need to be told that their army is irrelevant.

They were not the targets of our attack. When attacking Pakistan, we would prefer the PA quietly keep getting hit. The morale has to be destroyed from within, they are far too shameless otherwise. Do you get what I'm trying to say?

Keep blabbering.

no fire, no smoke nothing only dialogues.

I told ya, only you care about your opinions. GoI or IAF don't care what some random guy on the Internet thinks.

They will not try to do that either, they have shifted their modus operandi.

Of course, you obviously know more than the IAF.
 
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