Air Battle over Kashmir : MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16

Saaho said:
I believe in this much : If I slap a guy, he can deny. If I break his leg, there is nothing left to be denied.
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Everything must be done in a measured way. It's actually of greater advantage to you if he goes around claiming he broke his leg falling down stairs. Unless you want to score brownie points trying to look tough.

Breaking someone's leg isn't a big deal, I did it to someone when I was still in school. The guy decided to say he fell instead, or else I would have gotten myself expelled. Once you cross a limit there are always repercussions.

PA relies a lot on its own image, so it has to create an image of bravado in order to stay relevant. But if they are pushed to the point where their image is completely shattered, there may not be any going back from there. Which is why GoI gave them an escape to save face.

What happened now is they used GoI's measured response to push themselves in a corner by making up stories, so the next time GoI may not care a lot about their face, since we now know for sure that they do not bite. IAF has successfully proven that there is a threshold within which the Indian military can operate without getting a significant blowback from Pakistan. This is something Pakistan has also realised and it's too late for them to turn back the clock.
screambowl said:
I will end by saying, we talk a lot and do less and then boast about it like anything. We waste money and dont spend wisely. The more India delays, the enemy will reach to your back bone by chewing the flesh out. I personally know people in those departments where they actually don't deserve to be. More I can't say. And due to such decision makers India has to suffer.

You talk about tactility of new aircrafts, AESA, Missiles, ESW and what not, where as enemy plans to sabotage them on ground. Till 2012 things used to get leak from PMO of India. So you can imagine what is going on. Pakistanis as per how things built up and as per pattern I believe on 27th they knew about Indian strength of aircrafts which can be scrambled. That's the level of preparedness they have in one 10th of Indian military budget.
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There's nothing special what they did on the 27th. Any air force can do what they did.

You are praising the ability of a bowler to bowl.
 
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randomradio said:
This is something Pakistan has also realised and it's too late for them to turn back the clock.
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Exactly , Pakistanis are very bitter about their own dismal performance

And the Best part is that they Do not want
War

What they say is that had their Bombs hit our Targets or that Su 30 been hit by Amraams , India would have kept quiet for 5 years

Now they are afraid that the NEXT conflict will happen
Much sooner than what they like

When they make False Claims , it is because they somehow want to impress us civilians , so that we dont put pressure on the Govt for the Next conflict

It was public pressure that led to Balakot
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
Exactly , Pakistanis are very bitter about their own dismal performance

And the Best part is that they Do not want
War

What they say is that had their Bombs hit our Targets or that Su 30 been hit by Amraams , India would have kept quiet for 5 years

Now they are afraid that the NEXT conflict will happen
Much sooner than what they like
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What's bad for them is they realise the next terror attacks may not just start and end with some airstrikes.

India is playing a test series, but some people here think we are playing gully cricket.
 
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randomradio said:
What's bad for them is they realise the next terror attacks may not just start and end with some airstrikes.

India is playing a test series, but some people here think we are playing gully cricket.
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And by openly stating that Reclaiming POK is on the Table , we have created more
Anxiety and uncertainty in their minds

Next conflict will be started by India
 
Starting or
randomradio said:
Definitely sleepless nights for them.



India will never start a conflict. As I said, Pakistan has to be the aggressor, and they will give plenty of excuses for that.
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Its so evident rather than bog mouths our gov lack the determination to keep the tempo up whether we started of or we are retaliating
 
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Starting or

Its so evident rather than bog mouths our gov lack the determination to keep the tempo up whether we started of or we are retaliating
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The tempo has been up, and pretty high. The Pakistan Army has practically evacuated the LoC.
Jaymax said:
They swallowed 5 Aug, for all their bluster. Can't think of anything that will make them go to war. Except IWT. That will be a real existential threat for them.
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IWT doesn't need to be touched. Pakistan will face severe water scarcity in the near future anyway.

What we need to do is put them into the FATF blacklist first. Once they lose access to money, let's see then what they will do.
 
If paf was so sure of their skills why was the pak air space closed for 3 months after that day?
What was their fear?

The issue now is that they do not know when India will attack again.

Pulwama showed that if there is an attack on India (for whatever reason), pak will have to be alert and be defensive.
 
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A nightmare for the PAF will be the dozens of SCALP missiles IAF is getting with Rafales.With its BROACH warhead it can destroy any hardened aircraft shelter,command centre or underground facility.
Our Su-30MKI force today alone is enough to make PAF wet their pants,but the introduction of PL-15 means we need to upgrade our BVR.Not just meteor.
 
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randomradio said:
Based on what the air chief said, the holes can only be seen with high res imagery. So if you lower the res, you obviously won't see it anymore, it will just be blurred and look like any other surface, which anybody else will pass off as an artifact.
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And what resolution will that be?
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1235453120391585792

This is going to be very interesting
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Yup, Vstol's family member was up and flying whole night, ready and so was everyone else, Pakistan was in complete panic almost expecting a good thrashing, guess who stopped it?

Leader we elected after pusillanimous Congress. The rare opportunity when everyone was with political leadership and unanimous that Pakistan need to destroyed, but so called strong leader chickened out.

We don't need this interview to know about it, it was clear with his actions.
 
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BlackOpsIndia said:
Yup, Vstol's family member was up and flying whole night, ready and so was everyone else, Pakistan was in complete panic almost expecting a good thrashing, guess who stopped it?

Leader we elected after pusillanimous Congress. The rare opportunity when everyone was with political leadership and unanimous that Pakistan need to destroyed, but so called strong leader chickened out.

We don't need this interview to know about it, it was clear with his actions.
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DON'T WORRY
APNA TIME AAYEGA :ROFLMAO:
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
DON'T WORRY
APNA TIME AAYEGA :ROFLMAO:
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Well was't actions on 5th August good enough ?? What the *censored* Pakistan and it's sugar daddy China did ?? Nothing !!

I would anybody prefer some kind of permanent solution to Kashmir problem (abrogation of 370 is the first step) and the results are visible from the sudden drop in terrorist activities in Valley.

It's amusing how people are still not tired of same old topic even after whole damn year !!
 
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