And why do you want Pilatus to have Zero zero ejection seat? Does general aviation planes need also zero zero ejection seat? does training plane will meet real weapons?
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Find this post laughable!!
Still today - the so called fixing hasn't been proved TILL TODAY! and yet few are living in la la land!
Yes - I can deny that ACM Tyagi and NAK Browne were not involved in fixing
Thanks for the laughs!
Good Day!
The first concern of any air force is pilot safety,
A student pilot who is trying to learn nuances of flying and along with his instructor, now if the plane has a snag, and understanding the student pilot will be panicking, what you think is better? Zero Zero ejection seats ensure that the pilot and the trainer both have relative safety due to Zero zero ejection seat
Ejection seat is for flying safety for the safety of the pilot, Would the pilot be meeting real weapons is irrelevant, Did you see the flying accident of Su-27 it was during an air show and both the pilots bailed out. They were not carrying weapons for that flight.
The earlier requirement of ASQR was to have a Zero Zero seat, so then as per your logic, the Air staff who put that requirement in first place are not capable to write the requirement in first place? Why was the condition diluted later in a way that it does benefit PILATUS?
A student pilot who is trying to learn nuances of flying and along with his instructor, now if the plane has a snag, and understanding the student pilot will be panicking, what you think is better? Zero Zero ejection seats ensure that the pilot and the trainer both have relative safety due to Zero zero ejection seat
Ejection seat is for flying safety for the safety of the pilot, Would the pilot be meeting real weapons is irrelevant, Did you see the flying accident of Su-27 it was during an air show and both the pilots bailed out. They were not carrying weapons for that flight.
The earlier requirement of ASQR was to have a Zero Zero seat, so then as per your logic, the Air staff who put that requirement in first place are not capable to write the requirement in first place? Why was the condition diluted later in a way that it does benefit PILATUS?
Posting this again from the other Thread
Please do some research before making BS comments
Mk11 Ejection Seat - Martin-Baker
Where is Tyagi by the way? I do last remember he had been arrested and in jail for no reason.
Do I hear you say "politcal vendetta" next?
You can laugh all you want, Even RaGa has such wonderful laughs, and then they were left with 3
Do I hear you say "politcal vendetta" next?
You can laugh all you want, Even RaGa has such wonderful laughs, and then they were left with 3
Ya sure dude! He is out on Bail ! and yet CBI has no case!
AND with "In January 2018, the Italian courts said there was "insufficient proof that any bribery took place" and acquitted Giussepe Orsi (ex CEO) and Bruno Spagnolini (head of helicopter division) of all charges"
Only a matter of time - we will see CBI closing their witch hunt
what happen to the so called no ejection seat on the PC7? - Cat got your tongue?
Don't worry, CBI in time will close cases against Karti Chidambaram too.
In fact, courts just freed Raja in the 2G scam case. So clearly Nobody's guilty of any crime in India.
Its only the guys who steal bread and oil who gets beaten to death in kerala.
Some Snippets
Not a good news first from the Indian perspective
Now since bad news is over, let's focus on good news
Rafale MII
Not a good news first from the Indian perspective
- Safranised Kaveri Engine deal semi finalised owing to some differences rising in particular tech aspect.
- Safransied Kaveri V1.0 Engine deal semi-finalized, the core is M8X-X based But without full passage of TOT.
- The TOT and IPR holders want a share of the pie which has caused the delay in finalisation
Now since bad news is over, let's focus on good news
- Biggest plus point - Safransied Kaveri V1 will be able to power Indian Rafales with minimal modifications (certain points termed as pod modifications)
- Rafale orders and MII was discussed in a big way.
- There is an issue of prioritising Rafales between 2 forces - IAF and IN.
- The challenge is MII and off the shelf needs to be divided according to who needs planes first.
- IN wants to make all new orders into their Rafale -M version but carrier details are yet to be finalized since Rafale needs specific equipment to work with on an ACC.
- This means MRCBF deal as I have said earlier is in last mile stage and Rafale-M is the choice.
- The IAC-1 modification needs to be carried out and in case Vikky is also selected, much more needs to be changed as well. Priority for the moment is IAC1 of course.
- Eric Trappier has once again clearly said Rafale -M will meet the IAC1 needs and has detailed the whole strategy and IAC1 modifications as deemed by experts.
- Everything will be finalized soon but if IN loses them (off the shelf from Merignac) all will go to the IAF.
Rafale MII
- Upping the carrot further, France and team has proposed Safransied Kaveri 2.0 as part of Rafale MII proposition officially based on test results.
- This core is to be IPR shared as new development and will not have any issue as seen in present Mxx-x(M88-3 presumably)
- The Safransied Kaveri 2.0 will power the new generation Rafales (F4.2 and beyond) and AMCA. Its also studied for usage and applicability in case its possible for LCA Mk2.
- Discussion points to AB range of 125-130Kn and may be trimmed down a bit to increase stability factor and prolong life.
- A Certain company will send representatives to France at the start of H2 (July time) for full toolkit study under "Assemble In India" Rafales from initial kits. Based on this the final timeline of MII program will be charted with resource planning.
- Russia is aggressively pushing for Mig35 and is promising the usage of Safranised Kaveri as well and has offered financial packages which are very relaxed in terms and order.
- Its also talking a similar to MKI route of cooperation.
- Its also throwing in IAC1 systems required in the overall package and made it cost competitive as well.
- On top, Russia has drafted a version for ACC based on the SU57 concept for all future Indian carriers.
- Of course, Su57- Marine version is cost intensive proposition and developmental charges will apply to India
- India has emphasised to France that such a package means terms of Rafale and IN cooperation has to be far superior and performance of F4.2 and beyond to be capable enough that at any point of time Su57 in the Indian subcontinent or in Asia will not be a security risk.
- The same applied to MII Rafales for IAF and IN in future carrier as well
Modi has messed up the Su-57 deal. Hope he does not do the same with the Rafale deal. We are still talking about only assembling of Rafales in India and Not being manufactured in India like SU-30MKIs even after direct procurement of 72 Rafales from France. This is a huge lost opportunity by India.
@Aashish Thanks for the Update
Do we have a timeline for all this? or sorry to say we are going by IST?
Asking this w.r.t IAC-1 , would be see her launched for sea trials or being halted for these Modification for the Rafales ?
First batch of MII will be CKD.. its same for MKI.
localisation occurs by batches and moves to pre-designated percentages as agreed in an agreement.
The MRCBF deal will be signed within next 6 months max to initiate the IAC1 modification timeframe. Beyond 6 -months election time will push things to next year post results
this will see some orders from IAF for sure instead of SU-57. Or may be both.
Now we know why bump has appeared on Kaveri V1 engine ToT
While V2 has none.
They simply want to safeguard their order numbers and delay MiG35 having Kaveri engines.
Understandable since Navy might choose Mig35 early if Kaveri is available.
Now I think IAF will get Rafale first ..
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V1 is reaching 98-100Kn but may be curtailed to prolong life..Based on M88-3 core usage in kaveri with change in parts and intake+pressure+ heating elements
whats the difference between V1 and V2 and how will be the IPR and TOT will be resolved in V2 if its not being resolved in V1 is the V2 a JV ?
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