It's a good plane. I feel that it could solve the problem of the short legged strike fleet filled with jaguar,mig 27,mig23 and mirage 2000. The mig 29 and mirage will be freed up for air defence and air superiority type roles along with the su30 mki. Also we will have aim120d and lot of different a2g loadouts to strike both the Chinese and Pakistanis. Also it could be a good competitor to the j16's since they also have an aesa. And super 30 won't have an aesa replacement. So f15ex could be a extremely good addition to the IAF. Along with the rafale.
MMRCA 2.0 - Updates and Discussions
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Two Rafales made a surprise show as soon as they arrived in Kauhava, Finland, although only one Rafale is planned for the airshow. It is quite rare to see their evolution with drop tanks.
Ok found this old video of russian Byelka AESA radar.
From front it looks like a slot waveguided antenna array to me & look like i made a big mistake.
but from sides....you can clearly see there are notch radiators beneath ? or i am wrong ?
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US syndrom.
On powerpoint they already are so beautifull...
In the air it's deeply different. 737MAX, F35, Pegasus...
AIM260 better in range than Meteor.... with what kind of pk?
First public demo of the JAS-39 Gripen-E at the Kauhava air show in Finland!
That's the only drawback that keeps making me rethink about that plane. If the f15ex was stealthier it would be pretty much the best plane.
I am seriously busy and hence only posting randomly on twitter
Then started making mistakes in mixing up own view and analysis of information which created a series of contradictions ...... @nair pointed out the fact and he is aware that am super busy right now. So, decided to stop as need to recheck stuff and simply dont have time for that.
So you want to replace a car with a lorry ?
btw we do have russian lorries in more than ample numbers
Its not a lorry, its a formidable fighter, most suitable fighter to fight chinese in tibet.
Its not a drawback. I saw a tweet from harsh vardhan thakur, he said any fighter with more rhan 1.5sq m rcs is as terrible as any other fighter. None of the existing fighter aircraft will have less than 1.5 sq m rcs in any combat except f22, f35 & j20( here i will buy chinese claim ) So dis advantage of f15 rcs is nullified there.
Enemy may find u much early because of the rcs, but whats the use? We have a text book example in the form of feb27. The monstrous rcs cause mki early detection & mki's radar detected f16 too, but both failed to shoot down each other.
F15EX will pick any fighter aircraft much ahead of its own shooting range, against a stealthy aircraft no matter what you have f15 or rafale, you gonna get killed.
LOL. Chinease ADSs will shoot it down as soon as it crosses the LAC. And they will bomb the that airbase with J20s in retaliation.
Pravin Sawhney wants to say hi to you.
Jokes apart, in an indo china war the above mentioned scenario could be a possibility.
PS is a self glorified Chinese boot licker working under CPC India branch aka INC. Im not
But the Russian lorries are only good for air superiority or air defence. The American lorry is a bomb truck. The amount of munitions you can carry gives it a strategic ability. The Israelis use there f15 as a strategic bomber. If we can't have h6 equivalents we can have a plane which can carry enough munitions and range. The f15EX is not the 1980's f15C it's not even similar to the f15E. It can do the job of both. American standoff munitions are the best in their class. We are excited about scalp eg. If we buy the f15EX we can use jassm er which are double the range. There normal glided jdam bombs are much cheaper than the israeli systems we buy and as accurate. The only loss might be the meteor which is best in class. The rafale's can't carry the variety of a2g munitions as the f15 and we need an able ground striker which the rafale is too but it's not as powerful as the f15ex. It's faster than upgrading our sukhois
It won't need to cross the LAC. The variety of standoff munitions could be used before we enter. The rafale itself won't survive inside Chinese airspace...
Problem is the Russian Kamaz costed us a lot of money and doing the same what the Ford/GMC can. And no one buys a new truck again because newer one has better tyres. they just buy some good qality tyres instead.
Problem is you are trying to avoid this basic reality.
whats the use of your XXX then? if its all about some standoff weapon ?
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No the F15ex can hit deeper and can stay longer than the rafale. The JASSM-ER has a range of 900 km compared to SCALP EG. We can target all there airbases and radar station positioned much deeper. I am happy with both having SCALP,JASSM and brahmos. Unfortunately we haven't invest as much in standoff weaponry as the Chinese. Apart from Brahmos we don't have any system capable of hitting that deep. We will have to use ballistic missiles then where we will be outplayed.
Yeah you are absolutely right no one will buy a lorry just with a tire change. But you will definitely buy a lorry which has upgraded electronics faster electronic mission computers than even flying trucks. It can see farther and larger area because of its more modern headlights with GaAs LeD's . It also is more fuel efficient and can run faster and at higher altitudes. It can also carry more load. For if you want to go with your family and friends. You can also various loadouts when required for hiking or just city travel and offers variety of customisation. It also has a more electronic warfare system so we can actually match their J16 immediately as the super 30mki is too expensive to do simultaneously along with acquisition of MMRCA. Either one of the two things happen you do MMRCA and immediately order aircrafts with a company which known for extremely timely productions which gives you enough breathing space to update and replace the rest of your inventory with indigenous systems. Or you scrap MMRCA do a deal with the French for more rafales and start immediately working on a su30 upgrade. That doesn't happen because you don't have an aesa radar and you need an aesa radar to match Chinese j16's. Let's assume we buy 54 rafale's at there current speed of production we will get rafale's only in 2026 the rafale deal is to expensive so you delay slightly the upgrade of su30 mki. In short you have lesser aircrafts and no real deterrence on a numerical level for the future. Now let suppose we get the F15EX the su30 mki upgrade gets delayed anyway. Later on we buy another 36 rafale's while we get more planes and you tech is maintained the su30 mki happens two three year safter all the discussions. The French do not have a reliable partner. Boeing already has a tie-up with HAL so more advantage of a deal being secured. Dassault still doesn't have a partner for producing the MMRCA's. We can get Rafale's directly from the French too much hassle. At the same time mk1-mk2 induction happens. This is th eonly way we get anywher enclose to 42 squadron mark up. Asia still hasn't entered the fifth gen age of aerial warfighting this includes China too. Every major player has a bunch of third gen and fourth gen planes except the U.S . 2030 is when the Chinese would have replaced all there fighters with 4.5 and 5th gen planes. So we have enough breathing space for the tejas mk1 and mk2 to be inducted in numbers
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