Pakistan AirForce : Updates & Discussions

I think if pakistani members are saying that this jet is pakistani than they are wrong but we have learned technologies and how you implement tasks. It gives us courage to design our own jet azm. Even in azm, we need Chinese assistance. We want good product. I don't like chest thumping on both sides. Machines who perform better in real war scenario are always good for you, for your country.
Assembling Mehran and Cultus doest give you anything worthwhile expect for experience in assembling shit box . even if the fabric of seat has "inputs from pak army"
 
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Yes the money you have invested is miniscule because all of the r&d was completely done by the Chinese. The jf-17 in its present iteration is as good as our mig 21 bisons literally. The tejas mk1 can actually fly around the jf 17 literally and figuratively it's tech is quantitatively better than jf 17 the block 3 will be a bigger flying whale than the fa18 superhornet. Atleast the super hornet has the electronics to compensate for its inferior flying characteristics. The jf 17 blk3 has pretty mediocre aesa radar for all its hype. The maws and rwr is the only saving grace which will help it in runnig away like it did when it came to face our mirage 2000 on 27th Feb. Your pilots don't even train in bvr for the most part on your jf17 which proves they are meant to be bomb trucks. The jf 17 is the replacement for the f-7 pg not even the mirage 3/5 that's how bad the plane is. Our mig 21 bisons are pretty much superior to every aircraft in your inventory except the f 16.
Now I have heard that you guys are buying j10CE's which further proves that maybe the blk 3 is just propaganda and the project azm will be basically j-31 and your fauj will "kato chutya of your awam" saying it's indigenous development. Those jf 17 you are so proud of will be taken out like flies when they come.
Also as much you abduls are proud of your PAF for being a "professional" air force. Your air force's strategy has been to stay in your own air space. And then wait for us to pick you out. That strategy has worked out well for the most part. But the day IAF thinks it wants to enforce a no fly zone over Rawalpindi it wouldn't take more than a week to be flying over Islamabad and Pindi while your jarnails soil their salwars...
after reading all your chest thumping, i finally realize that there is no solution. i can only pray for iaf because it's an airforce who can't handle paf,forget about plaaf. lol from inferior jf-17 design to pindi salwars, from tejas flying without a fear( hahaha) to dreams of air superiority! complete garbage. real world doesn't support your hypothesis. before chest thumping, at least remember fate of your mirages,migs and su-30s on feb27. mirages radar malfuctioned. su-30s turned away(probably a hit) and mig has seen by all. even iaf helicopter on search rescue was destroyed by f-16. keep hiding it. we are following investigation on this helicopter incident. you think that others are fool. i can only pray for you. my sympathy for iaf.
 
after reading all your chest thumping, i finally realize that there is no solution. i can only pray for iaf because it's an airforce who can't handle paf,forget about plaaf. lol from inferior jf-17 design to pindi salwars, from tejas flying without a fear( hahaha) to dreams of air superiority! complete garbage. real world doesn't support your hypothesis. before chest thumping, at least remember fate of your mirages,migs and su-30s on feb27. mirages radar malfuctioned. su-30s turned away(probably a hit) and mig has seen by all. even iaf helicopter on search rescue was destroyed by f-16. keep hiding it. we are following investigation on this helicopter incident. you think that others are fool. i can only pray for you. my sympathy for iaf.
Reason 101 why inbreeding ought to result in capital punishment.
 
after reading all your chest thumping, i finally realize that there is no solution. i can only pray for iaf because it's an airforce who can't handle paf,forget about plaaf. lol from inferior jf-17 design to pindi salwars, from tejas flying without a fear( hahaha) to dreams of air superiority! complete garbage. real world doesn't support your hypothesis. before chest thumping, at least remember fate of your mirages,migs and su-30s on feb27. mirages radar malfuctioned. su-30s turned away(probably a hit) and mig has seen by all. even iaf helicopter on search rescue was destroyed by f-16. keep hiding it. we are following investigation on this helicopter incident. you think that others are fool. i can only pray for you. my sympathy for iaf.
According to whom? Pravin Von Sawhwnstein. That guy is just making chus of the chinese and you ghazis and making money over your delusions..
 
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According to whom? Pravin Von Sawhwnstein. That guy is just making chus of the chinese and you ghazis and making money over your delusions..
F-16 entered rajouri. It went deEp and it's clear that you are hiding something in investigation. Check progress of investigation. Wreckage seen by all, this is what dg ispr said. We have seen two wreckages. One is your big, other is your helicopter. According to this forum, f-16 dodged a Sam missile also. Do you think you can stop the best airforce in this world? If we want, we can enter again. It's on our mood.
 
Nigeria to pay 46 million USD installment for delivery of 3x JF-17 thunder next month.
Total deal is worth 184 million USD.
Nigeria will also pay additional 10 million USD for buying targeting pods.
This has been officially announced in Nigerian annual budget summary .

Nigeria is also contemplating purchase of 7x Block III thunders in 2025.
Officially disclosed in Nigerian government documents outlining a 5 year development and procurement program.
F-16 entered rajouri. It went deEp and it's clear that you are hiding something in investigation. Check progress of investigation. Wreckage seen by all, this is what dg ispr said. We have seen two wreckages. One is your big, other is your helicopter. According to this forum, f-16 dodged a Sam missile also. Do you think you can stop the best airforce in this world? If we want, we can enter again. It's on our mood.
Don't bother with these cry babies. They will serve you a thread ban if they run out of arguments
 
F-16 entered rajouri. It went deEp and it's clear that you are hiding something in investigation. Check progress of investigation. Wreckage seen by all, this is what dg ispr said. We have seen two wreckages. One is your big, other is your helicopter. According to this forum, f-16 dodged a Sam missile also. Do you think you can stop the best airforce in this world? If we want, we can enter again. It's on our mood.
And finally DG ispr claimed victory suddenly everything changed you opened your eyes figured out it was all a dream, in which dream land you living there is no second wreckage rather than blue on blue engagement casualtie( mi17) also if you shoot down mki in Indian side kashmiri ppl definitely have a pic of it, and about Sam doging there is no active Sam in rajpuri sector that time even mpads come after Feb 27 incident,
PS: admin or mod conadierong this as troll plz take consider the post I replied to,
 
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And finally DG ispr claimed victory suddenly everything changed you opened your eyes figured out it was all a dream, in which dream land you living there is no second wreckage rather than blue on blue engagement casualtie( mi17) also if you shoot down mki in Indian side kashmiri ppl definitely have a pic of it, and about Sam doging there is no active Sam in rajpuri sector that time even mpads come after Feb 27 incident,
PS: admin or mod conadierong this as troll plz take consider the post I replied to,
Why do you even respond to @Arsalan123 or for that matter any Pakistani, you will end up banging your head because they have 'MURGE KI EK TANG' syndrome...,😀😀😂😂😜

You put all the proofs on table yet a Pakistani won't accept. Here another syndrome 'MERI TANG UNCHI' comes to play..😀😂😜

Chahe kitni bhi Fati Ho Ya Kitni bhi Indian army ne Fadi Ho they won't accept. 😀😂

So chill don't argue with a fool, you will yourself end up looking as a fool...
 
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They refuse to learn. Already over 40% JF-17s are grounded due to cracks in the fuselage.
Sir, whatever you say but credit should be given to them for surviving so long despite doing blunder after blunders even if on foreign dole outs and in size trimmed to half.
They are devout two nation theory followers who can’t live side by side to pagans (let alone together). They are committed to destroy Hindus even if that means committing suicide.
They give 100% of whatever they have in their collective skulls. And that shouldn’t be underestimated.

I don’t think we could’ve survived even 10% of blunders they have done to themselves. So survival of Pakistan to this date is an achievement in itself.

BTW What’s the Solutions of problems like cracks in airframe? There must be some solution for this.
@randomradio
 
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They refuse to learn. Already over 40% JF-17s are grounded due to cracks in the fuselage.

The biggest mistake Pakistan did is to buy something that the host country itself doesn't use.

At least with J-10C, now, it's undergone two design changes to get to its current point after 15 years of service. The JF-17 did not see such changes. Rather they ended up settling on the design prematurely and buying large numbers assuming things will work out, which of course, it never does.

So now, with the exception of the old F-16s, their entire air force is a lemon.
 
after reading all your chest thumping, i finally realize that there is no solution. i can only pray for iaf because it's an airforce who can't handle paf,forget about plaaf. lol from inferior jf-17 design to pindi salwars, from tejas flying without a fear( hahaha) to dreams of air superiority! complete garbage. real world doesn't support your hypothesis. before chest thumping, at least remember fate of your mirages,migs and su-30s on feb27. mirages radar malfuctioned. su-30s turned away(probably a hit) and mig has seen by all. even iaf helicopter on search rescue was destroyed by f-16. keep hiding it. we are following investigation on this helicopter incident. you think that others are fool. i can only pray for you. my sympathy for iaf.

I guess u were spending much time elsewhere.
 
Sir, whatever you say but credit should be given to them for surviving so long despite doing blunder after blunders even if on foreign dole outs and in size trimmed to half.
They are devout two nation theory followers who can’t live side by side to pagans (let alone together). They are committed to destroy Hindus even if that means committing suicide.
They give 100% of whatever they have in their collective skulls. And that shouldn’t be underestimated.

I don’t think we could’ve survived even 10% of blunders they have done to themselves. So survival of Pakistan to this date is an achievement in itself.

BTW What’s the Solutions of problems like cracks in airframe? There must be some solution for this.
@randomradio
Chinese never put an expiry date on their products as they do not last that long. Airframe cracks will need further strengthening of the airframe and detailed patch work which will add weight to the aircraft and spoil its aerodymanic qualities. Even after these repairs, the aircraft will remain susceptible to fatigue and airframe failure. The first crash of JF-17 was due to wing break in flight.
 
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Chinese never put an expiry date on their products as they do not last that long. Airframe cracks will need further strengthening of the airframe and detailed patch work which will add weight to the aircraft and spoil its aerodymanic qualities.
That means even lesser payload. That explains why they are desperately looking for Enhanced RD93 development which has marginally higher thrust
 
Jf 17 is just a bomb truck. The pilots for the jf-17 don't even train for bvr. They are just there to act as distraction which they did on 27th Feb.


Have you fired live weapons, what was it like?

“I’ve fired General Purpose bombs of various sizes and done strafing. Haven’t had the pleasure of letting go a missile yet.”

Could someone explain this. The pilot answers in a previous question that he targetted su30's. And later says they have never had bvr training when IAF pilots have discussed their experience in bvr training. It's pretty clear they are even more useless than our mig 23's. That's why gaining air superiority of there entire airspace won't take us more than a week.