Rafale DH/EH of Indian Air Force : News and Discussions

Lolwa said:
Su 35 still reaches 1 sqm RCS the mki has 3-7 sqm RCS while the f-15 have 25 sqm RCS. In a modern war the f-15's will be seen quite easily...
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Doesnt matter, non-stealth/gen 5 fighter cannot shoot down f15, with existing a2a missile before F15 sees the opposing aircraft . Yeah, the moment its radar made a contact with f15,it can fly away safely from f15. Or else you must be having a solid EW suits like Growler.
 
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I'm deliberately posting this video here for I believe this has the potential to blow up & damage French Qatari ties thereby jeopardizing the chances of further Rafales to be ordered.
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It is unlikely for months or years :
1) with 36 Rafale, 36F15 and 24 EF2000, Qatar is already more than full. I even don't know where they will find pilots for all these birds.
2) The ties are cold, because the link between Qatar and islamism are too evident. The first sign of these was the ban on the VBCI sell, for a german product.
Qatar is no more a potential customer for 2nd batch.
 
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randomradio said:
It's like comparing the iPhone to a Chinese phone.

Rafale has next gen performance and combines that with next gen avionics that work. The MKI uses an old airframe and there's no guarantee that the next-gen avionics won't face problems. Maturity of technology takes a long time.
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Not if we acquire 1-2 squadrons of EA-18 Growlers of latest version & integrate them with Su30 MKI, Mig29, Mirage, Jaguar, LCA squadrons. Difficult, but not impossible.

Rafale alone cannot perform EA-18 Growlers' role continuously, despite its omni-role capability - since Growlers are designed/tailor-made for this 1 purpose - Electronic Warfare.

We can have 1-2 Growler each in every formation when flying our previous Gen-Aircrafts (basically, everything except Rafale) & that will almost compensate for their obsoleteness. Thoughts ?
 
JustCurious said:
Not if we acquire 1-2 squadrons of EA-18 Growlers of latest version & integrate them with Su30 MKI, Mig29, Mirage, Jaguar, LCA squadrons. Difficult, but not impossible.

Rafale alone cannot perform EA-18 Growlers' role continuously, despite its omni-role capability - since Growlers are designed/tailor-made for this 1 purpose - Electronic Warfare.

We can have 1-2 Growler each in every formation when flying our previous Gen-Aircrafts (basically, everything except Rafale) & that will almost compensate for their obsoleteness. Thoughts ?
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Why will USA sell us Growlers

Given that we have S 400 and might even buy S 500
 
Bon Plan said:
Another customer for Rafale ?

Seems that 6 units already sold to Indonesia... Rafale sold to Indonesia ?

Do India loosing an opportunity to have new birds in a fast track ?
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If anything will this not help Indian rafale ecosystem potentially develop a synergy with Indonesia?

Indonesians could order up to 36 (including this 6 first tranche) apparently.

I personally think India should do one more large order and make use of some of the sunk-in costs in the original 36.

France, India and Indonesia should improve and broaden their relations more. Let us see.
 
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JustCurious said:
Not if we acquire 1-2 squadrons of EA-18 Growlers of latest version & integrate them with Su30 MKI, Mig29, Mirage, Jaguar, LCA squadrons. Difficult, but not impossible.

Rafale alone cannot perform EA-18 Growlers' role continuously, despite its omni-role capability - since Growlers are designed/tailor-made for this 1 purpose - Electronic Warfare.

We can have 1-2 Growler each in every formation when flying our previous Gen-Aircrafts (basically, everything except Rafale) & that will almost compensate for their obsoleteness. Thoughts ?
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There's nothing special about the Growler. It was designed for use from carriers so it was modelled around a fighter jet, but air forces use business jets for the same purpose. Business jets are better because they fly way longer and have more onboard power, space, workstations and crew.

Rafale doesn't require external support anyway. It's self-contained.
 
Nilgiri said:
If anything will this not help Indian rafale ecosystem potentially develop a synergy with Indonesia?
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Definitely. Not just Indonesia, even Malaysia and Vietnam are potential operators of the Rafale.

Nilgiri said:
Indonesians could order up to 36 (including this 6 first tranche) apparently.
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They are planning for a sizable air force, with 36 Rafales, 24 F-15EXs and 50 IF-X.

Nilgiri said:
I personally think India should do one more large order and make use of some of the sunk-in costs in the original 36.
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The IAF doesn't seem to think it's a good idea to operate a high end jet without ToT. Hence the push for MRFA even at the cost of operational capabilities that a second order of 36 could bring.

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France, India and Indonesia should improve and broaden their relations more. Let us see.
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Interestingly, AUKUS pushed France closer to Indonesia.
 
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Optimist said:
You were offered the growler light. It didn't have all the systems.
www.flightglobal.com

AERO INDIA: Boeing reveals plans for 'Growler Lite'

Boeing plans to market an EA-18G "Growler Lite" tailored for an "electronic awareness" role rather than attack. The manufacturer believes that offering...
www.flightglobal.com www.flightglobal.com
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Too late for that. In any case, the article is from 2009 & was in reference to the MMRCA tender which saw Rafale being selected.

Indian R&D establishments are working on something similar. Hopefully in the next few years, it'd materialize. While it may or may not be a Growler equivalent, it'd serve the purpose in our neighborhood.
 
There were a lot of things the Growler, actually the Prowler, was good at that others didn't have. But the Growler is now contemporary technology. Due to advancements in wireless technologies, a lot of things that could only be solved with expensive repetitive experimentation were solved with just more advanced hardware that you can literally buy off the internet today. Which is why SPECTRA stood out when it was released, it used those advanced hardware and techniques that made the Growler and Prowler obsolete 15+ years ago.

In America's case too, the F-35 makes the Growler obsolete. But the USN has to continue to develop and use the Growler because they are gonna continue using the Super Hornet as their primary jet for at least 2 more decades. In everyone else's case too, if they are still using 4th gen jets, they will benefit from using Growler type capabilities.

Countries that are fully transitioning to the F-35, Rafale and Gripen E can abandon the need for dedicated EW aircraft.
 
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Just because you include the F-35 in a sentence. It doesn't give the other two any credence. Hanging onto the f-35's coat tail.


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Too late for that. In any case, the article is from 2009 & was in reference to the MMRCA tender which saw Rafale being selected.

Indian R&D establishments are working on something similar. Hopefully in the next few years, it'd materialize. While it may or may not be a Growler equivalent, it'd serve the purpose in our neighborhood.
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I saw you are working on the SU and you have some Israeli stuff. However the growler lite could have been an option still. I think you got the specs before, so you know if the SU is going to do that part.
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
Why will USA sell us Growlers

Given that we have S 400 and might even buy S 500
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Well, they are happily offering their F/A-18, MH90-Romeo Heli's, best of the breed UCAV - Predators latest version, Apache latest version with latest Lonbow radar, P8I & lot more...All of them boat of state-of-the art Electronics.

By selling us items on which our forces will become dependent, they are buying immense leverage over us. Suits them 100%

Like how IAF will remain eternally beholden to US - since our entire LCA program (MK1, MK1A, MK2), TEDBF, AMCA & few more (maybe ORCA/FUFA) will remain dependent upon their whims & fancies.

Kaveri is not happening. We know that, notwithstanding endless pages of debates - facts still stand.

For 6 decades, our IAF backbone was Russian. Now, it would be American. For decades.

The more things change, more they remain.
 
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