Because you got so much more time to integrate. Even the LCA do not get such concessions.
Rafale DH/EH of Indian Air Force : News and Discussions
- Thread starter Herciv
- Start date
-
- Tags
- indian defence forum
It is true that HAL is used to announce half as much time as Dassault,
But as it is Indian time, in the end it is 4 times longer than Dassault.
HAL is not the maker of LCA and you are comparing HAL and Dassualt on integration of weapons?It is true that HAL is used to announce half as much time as Dassault,
With all the expertise you need 5 years to integrate a weapon!. Maybe we should call the Israelis. They are good with french platforms. They integrated russian missile on Mirage with ease.
HAL is not the maker of LCA and you are comparing HAL and Dassualt on integration of weapons?
With all the expertise you need 5 years to integrate a weapon!. Maybe we should call the Israelis. They are good with french platforms. They integrated russian missile on Mirage with ease.
- How do you know that Israelis can do the same work? For example, will they be able to pass all configurations with the new missile through an anechoic chamber to measure the aircraft's signatures at all angles to allow SPECTRA and its active cancellation function to be updated?
- HAL is not the maker of LCA? ! So who is the maker of LCA?
BENGALURU: The Hindustan Aeronautics LimitedNSE 0.09 % Monday announced the production of 16th light combat aircraft "Tejas" as per the target. The city-headquartered public sector company said the customer flights would be completed by the end of this month.
HAL in a statement said it has orders from the Indian Air Force (IAF) for 40 LCAs (16 each in Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) and Final Operation Clearance (FOC) configurations and eight trainers) and the 16th LCA was ..
It's false from the beginning to to end....HAL is not the maker of LCA and you are comparing HAL and Dassualt on integration of weapons?
With all the expertise you need 5 years to integrate a weapon!. Maybe we should call the Israelis. They are good with french platforms. They integrated russian missile on Mirage with ease.
HAL is not the maker of LCA and you are comparing HAL and Dassualt on integration of weapons?
With all the expertise you need 5 years to integrate a weapon!. Maybe we should call the Israelis. They are good with french platforms. They integrated russian missile on Mirage with ease.
HAL does not make LCA?
HAL is so good that it's an insult to compare them to Dassault?
Call Israelis to do what? Hack the French systems and violate all End-user agreements in the IGA?
Russian missile integrated on Mirage? What imaginary Russian missile is this?
Time to lay off the LSD, bud.
The concessions LCA got were so huge that it managed to get FOC without ever getting its gun to work.
That it still got accepted after being delayed by over 10 years. And being totally inadequate & outdated by the time it made it to service (necessitating the immediate development of Mk-1A in order to at least restore some degree of operational relevancy in future battlefield).
Last edited:
Are you suggesting that Safran is asking for 500 million USD as fees which is separate from this commitment to invest 580 million USD as part of their off sets.
What I understand is that the cost of the upgrade is 750 Millions and SAFRAN have to invest in offset 580 millions so normally the remaining cost for India is 170 millions, but unfortunally it emerged in detailed studies of the offset rules that only a part of the offsets — just over €250 million — could be utilised for the project and then the remaining part of India for this project is 500 Millions, and Safran will have to invest the remaining 330 millions on another project which follow the offset rules. But it's too costly for India!
It appears the 580M in offsets is split between the engine deal and something else.
And now, the money meant for the engine deal, probably 250M as mentioned, is not enough.
How effective is potentially the rafale f3r irst against the chinese 5th gen?Can we track them at bvr ranges?
Also to ponder the SPECTRA ability against aesa seeker pl15s.
Also to ponder the SPECTRA ability against aesa seeker pl15s.
Rafale f3R doesn't have irst.. i had tried to dig into it earlier whether indian rafale will have the irst?..till date no conclusive evidence of the same is available..
IRST will be there in rafale f4 version as the french will field a new FSO..
Spectra will aid in situation awareness as well as electronic countermeasures with threat library completely made for IAF operations..
As for pl15 it is not in the league of air breathing ramjet meteor.. it has conventional dual pulse rocket motor.. it may have longer range coz of it's size nd being bulky.. but that also effects it's maneuverability.. i think it's in the same class of R37M awacs killer which we have supposedly bought from Russia..
So it can be very well countered by SPECTRA also worth mentioning indian rafale will also have goodies like low band jammers nd rafael X-gaurd towed decoy system specifically designed to counter RF seeker missiles..
IRST is one of the indian specific improvements for which we paid over a billion euros.IRST is key against 5th gen.
I hope so... But out of 13 ISE upgrades we have ordered.. IRST isn't mentioned neither is two way datalink for meteor missile... However if one looks at amount we are paying for ISE upgrades (1.9 billion dollars)
It is too exorbitant for the reportedly mentioned upgrades.. there may me many imperatives like IRST nd two way datalink of meteor well nd truly included.. or else it won't just justify the price..
for the same price of ISE upgrades we could have bought few more french standard F3R rafales.. but all is speculation now..
True capability of Indian rafale won't be available in public domain.. even if it lands in india.. however the first obvious giveaway will be IRST
I expect to see this...with IRST nd tv-laser
Instead of this a la french rafale
Indian Rafale will have a brand-new IRST. Don't forget that development of Indian standard is intended in 2022, with the last plane. So this new IRST may probably not be ft itted on the first planes delivered, but on the last one for sure (and all the others).
Indian SPECTRA will be more evolved than French one : better fitted for low band. But SPECTRA is evolving at all time! GaN is in the pipe, as new multistatic technology....